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Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:44 pm
by Scratch
For those of you that want to stop the green tip ammo ban, but don't like writing letters, here are two super simple websites that take about 30 seconds each to send off a letter.

http://savem855.com/


http://nssf.org/GovRel/takeAction2.cfm?alertID=80492

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:07 am
by Long Ago LEO
Guessing the administration is not interested in our voice, considering the new ATF Regulation Guide (released January 2015) already has removed them from the exempt list. These guides have to be OMB approved, so they're only updated about once a decade. Green Tips were exempt in the '05 guide, but not in the recently released 2014 Guide. Several articles online now about the timeline necessary to pull this off ahead of the actual rule change. So... implementation has already been spelled out, even though we're still in the (abbreviated) "public comment" stage.

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:41 am
by Jackpine Savage
The ATF backed off from that, saying it was a 'publishing error', yeh right. Perhaps they are backing off because of the backlash.

We need to keep the pressure up on congress, they are the ones that can make it uncomfortable for the ATF, ie. funding, taking away authority.

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:19 am
by photogpat
The comment period is a sham. They really just don't give two ***** about what you and I (or industry) have to say.

I never thought of them as openly antagonistic until this...

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:03 am
by steve4102
Jackpine Savage wrote:The ATF backed off from that, saying it was a 'publishing error', yeh right. Perhaps they are backing off because of the backlash.

We need to keep the pressure up on congress, they are the ones that can make it uncomfortable for the ATF, ie. funding, taking away authority.


When was the last time, or the first time, you saw this happen?

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:46 am
by Scratch
Here is their explanation.
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Keep writing those letters!

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:40 am
by Jackpine Savage
steve4102 wrote:
Jackpine Savage wrote:The ATF backed off from that, saying it was a 'publishing error', yeh right. Perhaps they are backing off because of the backlash.

We need to keep the pressure up on congress, they are the ones that can make it uncomfortable for the ATF, ie. funding, taking away authority.


When was the last time, or the first time, you saw this happen?


Look up the Tiahrt amendment. I agree that it doesn't happen often enough, and with the Dems in the Senate and Obama nothing significant will be done. But we did get carry in the National Parks past Obama by adding it to a bill that he wanted (credit card reform).

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:14 pm
by Scratch
The mistake in the firearms reference guide has been revised March 7 2015. Here's the statement of revision:
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And on page 190, near the bottom, is the revision showing that XM855 has NOT been banned yet:
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It doesn't mean that XM855 isn't going to be banned, it just means that they haven't banned it "yet" like many have thought.

SO PLEASE... KEEP WRITING THOSE LETTERS,

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:42 am
by LarryP
Amy & Al replied to my letter, I'm sure they're on our side! lol :(

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:06 pm
by Bearcatrp
Has there been any crimes involving this ammo? I don't shoot 5.56/223 but if they get away banning this, what's next. Just would like to know what really started this BS. Yeah, there excuse about AR pistols is stated as the reason but have to wonder if there is more to this than what we are being lead to believe.

Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:49 pm
by bnelson06
LarryP wrote:Amy & Al replied to my letter, I'm sure they're on our side! lol :(


They reply every time I write too, they are nice aren't they.


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Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:50 am
by igofast
Bearcatrp wrote:Has there been any crimes involving this ammo?


According to the Fraternal Order of Police the round has not posed a law enforcement problem : http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/foghorn/fraternal-order-of-police-no-m855-ban-needed/

Bearcatrp wrote:I don't shoot 5.56/223 but if they get away banning this, what's next.


This is perhaps the biggest issue. Despite the law never intending to cover rifle cartridges, it isn't written that way. And with any rifle cartridge capable of defeating body armor, and pistols available in most rifle cartidges - it makes for bad precedent.

Bearcatrp wrote:Just would like to know what really started this BS. Yeah, there excuse about AR pistols is stated as the reason but have to wonder if there is more to this than what we are being lead to believe.


Who knows the actual reason, but the biggest rumors are: retaliation for the Sig Brace(or AR pistols in general) and Back Door Gun Control. I feel the BATFE tested the waters with the 7N6 5.45 ammo ban and I don't think they got a lot of opposition, so they thought they could ramp up.

There's an interesting article published on the Shooting Wire http://www.shootingwire.com/archived/2015-03-09_sw.html that disbanding the BATFE won't resolve the issue, the GCA needs to be repealed or at very least updated. I happen to agree. Disbanding the BATFE will just shift responsibility for enforcing the crappy laws on some other department(wouldn't it be great if it went to the BLM :roll: ).

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:00 am
by Thunder71
Funny thing is, I've never heard of M855 before the ban attempt... now everyone talks about it like it's all they can shoot. :lol:

Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:35 am
by photogpat
ATF backtracks in the face of overwhelming grassroots opposition.

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Re: Easy ways to help stop the M855 ban

PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:57 pm
by AFTERMATH
Huzza!