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Here we go again!

Postby gbono23 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:30 am

This was posted in FEDBIZOPS on MOnday of this week:

"The purpose of this solicitation is to achieve price savings over the current .223 Rem duty ammunition. The Government reserves the right to cancel this solicitation in its entirety if it feels this price savings cannot be reasonably achieved. Resulting award will be used for training/qualification only, not for duty use, and will be used as a direct substitution in lieu of procuring like quantities of duty ammunition. The requirement will result in an indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract against which individual delivery orders will be placed. Estimated quantity is approximately 12,600,000 (12.6 million) rounds of .223 Rem training ammunition per year, totaling 62,500,000 (62.5 million) over the life of the contract. Key criteria for the training ammunition includes, but is not limited to: being easily distinguishable from duty ammunition (both in packaging and cartridge appearance), and meeting ballistic criteria to insure officer competency requirements are achievable.

All items will be in accordance with the statement of work (SOW) and RFP that will be provided at time of solicitation issuance. The awarded contract will be for a period of five (5) years from date of award"

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but 62.5 million rounds for training? Seems to be a bit excessive. Or is it to dry up supplies, although with they buying that has occurred over the last few years, there is more than enough ammo in the hands of those that want it.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby mrp on Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:56 am

>Maybe I'm just paranoid

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby JJ on Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:58 am

mrp wrote:>Maybe I'm just paranoid

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:



+1
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby xd ED on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:11 am

JJ wrote:
mrp wrote:>Maybe I'm just paranoid

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:



+1


+1 more;

12,600,000 rds year = 50,400 rds per day( assuming 50 wks/ yr, 5 days week)

The contract is for DHS training ammo.
Like 'em or not, they do train.
And it appears they might be trying to save some money.

Synopsis:
Added: Apr 13, 2015 2:13 pm
U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) intends to solicit offers to Request for Proposal (RFP) HSBP1015R0025 for .223 Remington (.223 Rem) Caliber Training Ammunition for Department of Homeland Security (DHS) locations nationwide, including those in the continental U.S., Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, the Northern Marianna Islands, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands. HSBP1015R0025 is scheduled to be issued on, or about, April 30, 2015.. . .The purpose of this solicitation is to achieve price savings over the current .223 Rem duty ammunition. . . .


https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9e4b05061ac6a7f71fcbc0cb9dea0791&tab=core&_cview=0
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby JJ on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:27 am

Just a quick read on the actual volumes of ammuntition consumption by .gov.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... pile-myth/

or

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2012081 ... ammunition

Information without context is worthless.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby LarryFlew on Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:08 am

I sell a couple hundred thousand (200,000+) stripper clips per year. they are clips purchased from a vendor who sells surplus ammunition stripped from the clips (10 rounds per clip) and he has 14 million clips (140 million rounds of ammo worth) in stock almost at all times. WHY don't they just shoot their own "surplus"????
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby gbono23 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:43 am

Yes I am paranoid of our government, and I think rightfully so based on whats going on in the world.

I also understand the whole contracting thing with IDIQ type contracts. That is why I said "here we go again"! I'm not rushing off to buy up any .223 ammo that is currently on the shelf, if its there when I want it to go shooting fine, if not I won't go. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who will see that the govt is buying 62.5 million rounds of training ammo, and they are going to rush out and buy everything they can. This is going to drive up cost, and we may see spot shortages again. I"m fine with the government trying to save money, but as someone else pointed out they are selling surplus ammo at the same time as they are sending out Requests for Proposals to buy new ammo.

In some instances we are our own worst enemy, with the popularity of the MSR increasing, it has created a need for more ammo for personal use. All at a time when the paranoia of loss of the right to own some of those MSR's was increasing. Its all kind of like a perfect storm.

As gun rights supporters, we have won a few battles lately, but we haven't won the war yet. There are still those out there that want to curtail our rights, and continue to raise money to support their agenda.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby farmerj on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:56 am

I think what flips people out is they see..."million".....

And they don't grasp that concept that there are like 125,000 people to divide that up with.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby JJ on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:10 pm

farmerj wrote:I think what flips people out is they see..."million".....

And they don't grasp that concept that there are like 125,000 people to divide that up with.



:iagree:

Context is everything. People are so paranoid that they can't/won't put on their critical thinking caps.

It's a sad state of affairs.

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Re: Here we go again!

Postby yukonjasper on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:37 pm

farmerj wrote:I think what flips people out is they see..."million".....

And they don't grasp that concept that there are like 125,000 people to divide that up with.


I think the concern for me is that DHS has 125,000 employees :o :shock:
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby JJ on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:14 pm

yukonjasper wrote:
farmerj wrote:I think what flips people out is they see..."million".....

And they don't grasp that concept that there are like 125,000 people to divide that up with.


I think the concern for me is that DHS has 125,000 employees :o :shock:


Considering DHS is a conglomeration of twenty something agencies, including Coats Guard (42k), Customs (58k), I.C.E. (15k), Secret Service (7k), FEMA (7k), and there are a host of other alphabet agencies as well, 125000 is likely pretty light. the quick Wiki info i looked up showed close to double that figure.

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Re: Here we go again!

Postby farmerj on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:22 pm

Giving them the benefit of the doubt.....


Not 100% have to qualify with a 5.56 caliber weapon either.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby shooter115 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:31 pm

Good buddy of mine is a gunner's mate (small weapons specialist) in the Coast Guard. They actually go through a lot of live fire training.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby yukonjasper on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:40 pm

JJ wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:
farmerj wrote:I think what flips people out is they see..."million".....

And they don't grasp that concept that there are like 125,000 people to divide that up with.


I think the concern for me is that DHS has 125,000 employees :o :shock:


Considering DHS is a conglomeration of twenty something agencies, including Coats Guard (42k), Customs (58k), I.C.E. (15k), Secret Service (7k), FEMA (7k), and there are a host of other alphabet agencies as well, 125000 is likely pretty light. the quick Wiki info i looked up showed close to double that figure.

TTKU

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Good point I hadn't considered all the agencies that collected under that Department. Thanks for looking that up - I should have done so before posting.
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Re: Here we go again!

Postby Lumpy on Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:18 pm

I'd be more concerned if it were discovered that they were stockpiling large amounts of teargas and prefabricated detention pens. :lol:
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