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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby steve4102 on Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:24 pm

xd ED wrote:So, what is your plan for advancing the cause?
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Concentrate on areas and on people that can think and that have the ability to see the forest for the trees. The Arrowhead is a lost cause, spending time and money up there is time and money wasted.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby xd ED on Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:39 am

steve4102 wrote:
xd ED wrote:So, what is your plan for advancing the cause?
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Concentrate on areas and on people that can think and that have the ability to see the forest for the trees. The Arrowhead is a lost cause, spending time and money up there is time and money wasted.[/quote]

Like the metro area, for instance? :roll:

As others have demonstrated, firearm politics isn't always a D vs R issue.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby Ghost on Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:59 am

xd ED wrote:As others have demonstrated, firearm politics isn't always a D vs R issue.

While true, most pro gun D's, in my experience, usually think they should have guns but nobody else should.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby bstrawse on Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:33 am

steve4102 wrote:
bstrawse wrote:In the Arrowhead region -- Rob Ecklund is an A rated, pro-gun DFLer, who co-sponsored Stand your Ground and Constitutional Carry. Mary Murphy, though C rated, often votes pro-gun. Jason Metsa is A-rated, pro-gun DFLer, who has co-sponsored Stand your Ground, and there are others. In the Senate, Bakk and Tommasoni also are solid pro-gun votes, despite being DFLers.

They may elect primarily democrats in that region, but they're solidly on our side.


Which has nothing to do with voting for Republican Governor.

They will not cast a vote for (R) no matter what.


And yet has everything to do with securing votes for pro-gun rights legislation.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby bstrawse on Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:34 am

In the meantime, instead of arguing about the Governor's race, can we focus on the issue at hand?

- Call the committee members
- Call your Rep
- Show up on Wednesday if you can

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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby steve4102 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:35 am

bstrawse wrote:
steve4102 wrote:
bstrawse wrote:In the Arrowhead region -- Rob Ecklund is an A rated, pro-gun DFLer, who co-sponsored Stand your Ground and Constitutional Carry. Mary Murphy, though C rated, often votes pro-gun. Jason Metsa is A-rated, pro-gun DFLer, who has co-sponsored Stand your Ground, and there are others. In the Senate, Bakk and Tommasoni also are solid pro-gun votes, despite being DFLers.

They may elect primarily democrats in that region, but they're solidly on our side.


Which has nothing to do with voting for Republican Governor.

They will not cast a vote for (R) no matter what.


And yet has everything to do with securing votes for pro-gun rights legislation.
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Nothing will bw secured with Governor Goofy or any other Democrat Governor.

Wanna get a Republican elected Governor, concentrate on areas that you can actually win, the Range Ain't it.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby Jackpine Savage on Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:06 am

steve4102 wrote:
Wanna get a Republican elected Governor, concentrate on areas that you can actually win, the Range Ain't it.


This isn't electoral politics. You don't win or lose an area. Every vote counts.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby Hmac on Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:06 am

steve4102 wrote:
Nothing will bw secured with Governor Goofy or any other Democrat Governor.

Wanna get a Republican elected Governor, concentrate on areas that you can actually win, the Range Ain't it.



I agree that Dayton likely won't sign either of those bills, but it doesn't hurt to keep trying. If nothing else, it keeps the machinery oiled.

As to the belief that such a veto might contribute to the next governor race...that's not a totally forlorn hope. Only two of our last six governors were Democrats. Three of them were Republicans plus Jesse Ventura.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby yukonjasper on Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:41 am

bstrawse wrote:In the meantime, instead of arguing about the Governor's race, can we focus on the issue at hand?

- Call the committee members
- Call your Rep
- Show up on Wednesday if you can

Thanks,
Bryan

+1000
If the support is broad enough, the Governor will have to burn political capital to block them. I agree that he is stubborn, but history has shown that progress can be made.

Also,as a product of the Iron Range with a lot of contacts still there, the more we can separate the issue from partisan politics the better. The people are drifting more right with every old timer that passes.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby MJY65 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:32 pm

steve4102 wrote:Nothing will bw secured with Governor Goofy or any other Democrat Governor.


You mean like legalizing suppressors?
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby Hmac on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:36 pm

MJY65 wrote:
steve4102 wrote:Nothing will bw secured with Governor Goofy or any other Democrat Governor.


You mean like legalizing suppressors?

He vetoed that at least once. Ultimately signed it in a subsequent legislative session. So...yeah. Not unwise to keep pushing.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby bstrawse on Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:43 pm

Hmac wrote:
MJY65 wrote:
steve4102 wrote:Nothing will bw secured with Governor Goofy or any other Democrat Governor.


You mean like legalizing suppressors?

He vetoed that at least once. Ultimately signed it in a subsequent legislative session. So...yeah. Not unwise to keep pushing.


Dayton never vetoed suppressors. Passed in 2015, signed in 2015.

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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby photogpat on Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:08 pm

If you can, you should really try and get there for these hearings.

It'll be the social event of the season.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby cobb on Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:00 pm

bstrawse wrote:In the meantime, instead of arguing about the Governor's race, can we focus on the issue at hand?

- Call the committee members
- Call your Rep
- Show up on Wednesday if you can

Thanks,
Bryan

What he said.
These pro-gun bills are today's fight, the governors race isn't until 2018, lets deal with that then.
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Re: Constitutional Carry and Self Defense Law Reform to be heard

Postby goett047 on Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:56 am

cobb wrote:
bstrawse wrote:In the meantime, instead of arguing about the Governor's race, can we focus on the issue at hand?

- Call the committee members
- Call your Rep
- Show up on Wednesday if you can

Thanks,
Bryan

What he said.
These pro-gun bills are today's fight, the governors race isn't until 2018, lets deal with that then.

Who's on the committee? I'm considering playing hooky from work.
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