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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby Lumpy on Sun May 20, 2018 8:10 pm

Interesting that they acknowledged that there is a "pro-gun rights Majority"

Especially when they usually chalk up all opposition to gun control to "The NRA", that sinister shill for the gun manufacturers. ( :roll: )

Citiot wrote:Another quote from their Facebook:

Protect MN:This guy should be high on a list of people to investigate for possible mental health issues and gun ownership

This was linked to this story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/make-america-great-again-man-with-gun-flag-arrives-at-school-shooting-to-offer-support/2018/05/18/96ea1a44-5ab8-11e8-9889-07bcc1327f4b_video.html?utm_term=.d16d13f4419a

'Make America Great Again': Man with gun, flag arrives at school shooting to offer support



This totally exposes the true agenda:
1) pass red flag laws that eliminate the right to face your accusers
2) disarm as many people as possible because all it takes is an accusation (in this case, the man was legally carrying a gun, but in combination with a MAGA hat, makes him unstable in their eyes)

Seriously, in gun debates on another board I read posts by people who claim that gun ownership should be regarded as a form of psychopathy.
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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby Lumpy on Sun May 20, 2018 8:12 pm

jdege wrote:
Randygmn wrote:Everything about Protect MN, and the wider “gun control” movement in general trade only in lies and dishonesty.

An effective liar knows he's lying and doesn't confuse his lies with reality.

Not quite; the classic novel 1984 coined the term "doublethink", which consists of knowing something is a lie and fervently believing it at the same time. Or perhaps to put it another way, "it's OUR lie, and therefore it is the truth!"
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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby BigBlue on Sun May 20, 2018 8:19 pm

Ghost wrote:
BigBlue wrote:It's the bad person doing the bad thing. It's never about a specific tool. Focus on why someone gets to the point that they are OK harming others. How has society gone wrong? Stop clinging to your 'gun are bad' idea, you angry moms, and realize that only solving the 'why' will fix anything.

Has it though? From NPR, not exactly a gun rights stronghold.

The Parkland shooting last month has energized student activists, who are angry and frustrated over gun violence. But it's also contributed to the impression that school shootings are a growing epidemic in America.

In truth, they're not.

"Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It's Not A Growing Epidemic

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality


Are you referencing that the number of school shootings is no more than it ever was or that deaths from school shootings are no more on average than they have been? I don't have stats on either but it sure does seem like they happen more often recently. Of course I'm more sensitive to their occurrences in recent years because I've had to be more active in defending gun rights and each new one is a trigger for another push by the antis. So perhaps that contributes. And then there's the part of me that thinks there is a push for them to happen so the antis have more ammunition for their fight. But that could be actually the case...

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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby Ghost on Sun May 20, 2018 8:31 pm

BigBlue wrote:Are you referencing that the number of school shootings is no more than it ever was or that deaths from school shootings are no more on average than they have been? I don't have stats on either but it sure does seem like they happen more often recently. Of course I'm more sensitive to their occurrences in recent years because I've had to be more active in defending gun rights and each new one is a trigger for another push by the antis. So perhaps that contributes. And then there's the part of me that thinks there is a push for them to happen so the antis have more ammunition for their fight. But that could be actually the case...

BB

There’s more info in the article.
First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.

"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."

Second, the overall number of gunshot victims at schools is also down. According to Fox's numbers, back in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.
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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby BigBlue on Mon May 21, 2018 6:47 am

Randygmn wrote:Make no mistake. They are convinced the citizens at large support gun control. The “pro-gun rights majority” they were referring to were the legislative majority that refuses to bend to their will.


Even if that's what they meant (not disputing it) they really need to realize that a legislative majority means a majority of citizens back them. And I hate to see the word 'sensible' used like that. I don't think they understand what that word means. What they are proposing certainly DOESN'T make sense.

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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby xd ED on Mon May 21, 2018 8:10 am

BigBlue wrote:
Randygmn wrote:Make no mistake. They are convinced the citizens at large support gun control. The “pro-gun rights majority” they were referring to were the legislative majority that refuses to bend to their will.


Even if that's what they meant (not disputing it) they really need to realize that a legislative majority means a majority of citizens back them. And I hate to see the word 'sensible' used like that. I don't think they understand what that word means. What they are proposing certainly DOESN'T make sense.

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'Sensible legislation' is a term like 'ending gun violence' , and one of my favorites: 'affordable housing'.
Superficially they present a laudable position, impossible to condemn without appearing cruel, or anti-social.
In reality, these carefully chosen catch-phrases all mean nothing specific/ anything the user wishes.
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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby yukonjasper on Mon May 21, 2018 9:42 am

I don't trust them and feel like they are lulling us into a false sense of security with some sort of end around tactic brewing or in the works. It's not like a Liberal to give up when they literally have any means necessary to win.

If I were a prominent figure on the Pro 2A side of the debate, I'd be looking over my shoulder. The character assassination, muck raking machine is probably out looking for a reason to smear you, impugn your integrity and generally destroy your life. Sorry to be so doom and gloom, but the desperation that this portends tells me we are headed for an unprecedented level of person attack on people heretofore thought below the radar for public scrutiny and pillory in the public square. I really hope I'm wrong, but the Anytown money isn't going to stop, so what will they use it for - Private Detectives, researchers, encouraging "victims" to step forward? Anything to discredit and bring down a voice on the Pro 2A debate locally.

The only way they loose is if they can't make the smart people shut up and allow them to lead the sheep to the slaughter.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby bstrawse on Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 am

yukonjasper wrote:I don't trust them and feel like they are lulling us into a false sense of security with some sort of end around tactic brewing or in the works. It's not like a Liberal to give up when they literally have any means necessary to win.

If I were a prominent figure on the Pro 2A side of the debate, I'd be looking over my shoulder. The character assassination, muck raking machine is probably out looking for a reason to smear you, impugn your integrity and generally destroy your life. Sorry to be so doom and gloom, but the desperation that this portends tells me we are headed for an unprecedented level of person attack on people heretofore thought below the radar for public scrutiny and pillory in the public square. I really hope I'm wrong, but the Anytown money isn't going to stop, so what will they use it for - Private Detectives, researchers, encouraging "victims" to step forward? Anything to discredit and bring down a voice on the Pro 2A debate locally.

The only way they loose is if they can't make the smart people shut up and allow them to lead the sheep to the slaughter.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong.


Protect MN isn't smart enough to execute such a campaign but your warning is well taken.

The smear campaign is already out there for anyone that takes on any public role in gun rights in Minnesota. I can relate my personal experience with this briefly:
  • My business, which has no direct connection to my political activities, in our last office building in NE Minneapolis, was harassed by other tenants who also attempted to get us thrown out of the building. You can read about this here: http://www.citypages.com/arts/icebox-bo ... /396525171
  • My neighborhood has been the frequent recipient of posters and stickers from Betsy Riot - see https://betsyriot.com/
  • There has been a persistent effort by one anti-gun activist to smear my previous association with the Humphrey School - see http://www.citypages.com/news/dear-repu ... /474444493
  • Just over the past two weeks, one of the Senate DFL COmmunications specialists, rather than debating the actual public policy positions of his caucus, has been attacking my business and attempting to determine who our clients are.
  • One newer anti-gun group in town has taken on more aggressive stances in the past few months - we fully expect them to protest our events, my business, and perhaps at my home.

None of this dissuades me from pushing as hard as we can, mind you, and it's mostly just annoyance and distraction, but I imagine this is just the beginning.

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Re: Protect MN worn down by gun rights majority

Postby Randygmn on Tue May 22, 2018 5:43 am

bstrawse wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:I don't trust them and feel like they are lulling us into a false sense of security with some sort of end around tactic brewing or in the works. It's not like a Liberal to give up when they literally have any means necessary to win.

If I were a prominent figure on the Pro 2A side of the debate, I'd be looking over my shoulder. The character assassination, muck raking machine is probably out looking for a reason to smear you, impugn your integrity and generally destroy your life. Sorry to be so doom and gloom, but the desperation that this portends tells me we are headed for an unprecedented level of person attack on people heretofore thought below the radar for public scrutiny and pillory in the public square. I really hope I'm wrong, but the Anytown money isn't going to stop, so what will they use it for - Private Detectives, researchers, encouraging "victims" to step forward? Anything to discredit and bring down a voice on the Pro 2A debate locally.

The only way they loose is if they can't make the smart people shut up and allow them to lead the sheep to the slaughter.

Sorry to be so pessimistic. I hope I'm wrong.


Protect MN isn't smart enough to execute such a campaign but your warning is well taken.

The smear campaign is already out there for anyone that takes on any public role in gun rights in Minnesota. I can relate my personal experience with this briefly:
  • My business, which has no direct connection to my political activities, in our last office building in NE Minneapolis, was harassed by other tenants who also attempted to get us thrown out of the building. You can read about this here: http://www.citypages.com/arts/icebox-bo ... /396525171
  • My neighborhood has been the frequent recipient of posters and stickers from Betsy Riot - see https://betsyriot.com/
  • There has been a persistent effort by one anti-gun activist to smear my previous association with the Humphrey School - see http://www.citypages.com/news/dear-repu ... /474444493
  • Just over the past two weeks, one of the Senate DFL COmmunications specialists, rather than debating the actual public policy positions of his caucus, has been attacking my business and attempting to determine who our clients are.
  • One newer anti-gun group in town has taken on more aggressive stances in the past few months - we fully expect them to protest our events, my business, and perhaps at my home.

None of this dissuades me from pushing as hard as we can, mind you, and it's mostly just annoyance and distraction, but I imagine this is just the beginning.

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