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Trump vs Harley

Postby LarryFlew on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:51 am

Up until recently I have had little or no problem with what the Donald has accomplished etc but the denigrating Harley thing is a bit over the top. Does he really expect them to pay 25% more for their metal purchases per his tariffs and then lose another 25% in tariffs selling in the UK? Basically shutting down the business and certainly losing a BUNCH of UK customers.

Not sure of how their mark-ups are but even if they are a HUGE 30% profit (not likely) they would still be screwed.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby yukonjasper on Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:27 pm

I'm not convinced he thought it all the way through and would bet that he was hoping for capitulation with the mere threat of tariffs.

Negotiations are about making your opponent believe the threats you are making, so if there are temporary losses while you build your "street cred" but the outcome is you get clout, you have to calculate whether it would be worth it. Key is to have a unified front - Harley is not providing that unified front - I wouldn't be surprised if they get a phone call or a visit asking to go along with the program until we get our way.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get another message here soon basically " ya well, we tried, it didn't work, so just kidding".
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby Ghost on Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:41 pm

Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles. He’s just trying to MHG but they decided to whine instead.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby hammAR on Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:13 pm

Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles.


In whose opinion............... :P
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby andrewP on Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:25 pm

hammAR wrote:
Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles.


In whose opinion............... :P


Well, there *are* engine designs out there that aren't inherently unbalanced and trying to shake themselves apart...just saying...
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby BigDog58 on Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:31 pm

andrewP wrote:
hammAR wrote:
Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles.


In whose opinion............... :P


Well, there *are* engine designs out there that aren't inherently unbalanced and trying to shake themselves apart...just saying...


Many years ago, you measured the horsepower in a Harley Engine, using a Richter Scale. I believe they still utilize this device :rock:
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby george on Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles. He’s just trying to MHG but they decided to whine instead.
Then why is almost every mfgr. Making a Harley clone ?
Harley did say the plant in Thailand is not going to be selling to the US Market, they are only for European sales but it makes me wonder if the closing of the Kansas City plant wasn't to get machinery for their new plant abroad.
This brings me to wonder why can't we do a tit-for-tat on tariffs and let the other countries decide what tariffs they are willing to pay. The UK wants a 31% duty on Harley let them pay a 31% duty to bring any of their bikes into the us as well. Hasn't the US been holding the crappy end of the stick long enough.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:37 pm

Sorry, if HD is moving manufacturing overseas, they were planning on doing so long before tariffs were announced.

Any US manufacture, planning on moving their production overseas because of a tariff which might go away in 6 months, deserves to go bankrupt.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby Ghost on Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:01 pm

george wrote:
Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles. He’s just trying to MHG but they decided to whine instead.
Then why is almost every mfgr. Making a Harley clone ?

Because everyone wants a piece of the doctor, dentist, lawyer drop it at the dealership for an oil change crowd.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby Ironbear on Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:47 pm

If you pay attention to the market, The bottom has been falling out of "cruiser" sales. This has been going on for several years and wasn't Trump's fault... it's demographics.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:36 pm

Harley sucks. Get a real vehicle not a bicycle.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby linksep on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:39 pm

I've ridden two Harleys in my life...
All the drawbacks of a motorcycle with none of the benefits. All the drawbacks of a car with none of the benefits. They really are the worst of both worlds.
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby andrewP on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:51 pm

BigDog58 wrote:Many years ago, you measured the horsepower in a Harley Engine, using a Richter Scale. I believe they still utilize this device :rock:


Uh, sure, yeah, sounds reasonable. Also accurate. Very accurate. :roll: :lol:
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Re: Trump vs Harley

Postby BigBlue on Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:50 am

hammAR wrote:
Ghost wrote:Even Trump knows there are better motorcycles.


In whose opinion............... :P


Anyone who has ever driving a VTX1800 or a Victory.
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