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Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Lumpy on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:33 pm

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/f ... 1584649743

It never ends; it never ever ends, does it? We're always one Democratic majority away from gun bans being enacted. If we win we simply hold the line and if we lose we lose forever, because the precedent will have been set and it's almost impossible to unban something.

We need for two Supreme Court justices to retire, two replacements while Trump and a Republican Senate are still in office, and a gun case that will finally cement that the Second Amendment means what it says.

Either that, or if the law is finally turned against us, we need scofflawing and civil disobedience on a scale that makes Prohibition and the Vietnam War era look like minor spats.
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:51 pm

Lumpy wrote:https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5552/attachments/original/1584649743/HR_5717.pdf?1584649743

It never ends; it never ever ends, does it? We're always one Democratic majority away from gun bans being enacted. If we win we simply hold the line and if we lose we lose forever, because the precedent will have been set and it's almost impossible to unban something.

We need for two Supreme Court justices to retire, two replacements while Trump and a Republican Senate are still in office, and a gun case that will finally cement that the Second Amendment means what it says.

Either that, or if the law is finally turned against us, we need scofflawing and civil disobedience on a scale that makes Prohibition and the Vietnam War era look like minor spats.


Will it matter when the court is shuttered? Hard to hear cases and not congregate. You know for public safety and all.
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Bearcatrp on Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:52 am

Sneaky bastards. Read allot of it. BS!
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:48 am

Is congress working from home?
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:05 am

Similar bills are introduced every year from the same cast of miscreants.

This bill has zero chance of being passed, even in the democrat controlled House.
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:12 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:Similar bills are introduced every year from the same cast of miscreants.

This bill has zero chance of being passed, even in the democrat controlled House.

Good
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Lumpy on Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:24 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:Similar bills are introduced every year from the same cast of miscreants.

This bill has zero chance of being passed, even in the democrat controlled House.
I dearly hope so.
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby jdege on Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:21 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:Similar bills are introduced every year from the same cast of miscreants.

This bill has zero chance of being passed, even in the democrat controlled House.

Good


The only thing that would be good about it is if introducing such a bill were to have convinced their constituents to vote them out of office, or worse.

That a legislator could openly advocate such a position, and still get re-elected, is indicative of serious problems in much of our electorate.


A not entirely-offtopic aside:

https://archive.org/stream/lonestarplanet20121gut/pg20121.txt
The Project Gutenberg EBook of Lone Star Planet
by Henry Beam Piper and John Joseph McGuire

"Please the court," he began, "the defendant, Wilbur Whately, is here charged with political irresponsibility and excessive atrocity in exercising his constitutional right of criticism of a practicing politician.

"The specifications are, as follows: That, on the afternoon of May Seventh, Anno Domini 2193, the defendant here present did arm himself with a machete, said machete not being one of his normal and accustomed weapons, and did loiter in wait on the front steps of the Legislative Assembly Building in the city of New Austin, Continent of Sam Houston, and did approach the decedent, addressing him in abusive, obscene, and indecent language, and did set upon and attack him with the machete aforesaid, causing the said decedent, S. Austin Maverick, to die."

The court wanted to know how the defendant would plead. Somebody, without bothering to rise, said, "Not guilty, Your Honor," from the defense table.

There was a brief scraping of chairs; four of five men from the defense and the prosecution tables got up and advanced to confer in front of the bench, comparing sheets of paper. The man who had read the charges, obviously the chief prosecutor, made himself the spokesman.

"Your Honor, defense and prosecution wish to enter the following stipulations: That the decedent was a practicing politician within the meaning of the Constitution, that he met his death in the manner stated in the coroner's report, and that he was killed by the defendant, Wilbur Whately."

[...]

"Your Honor, we ask to have a certified copy of the proceedings of the Senate Finance and Revenue Committee for the morning of May Seventh, 2193, read into the record of this court," the counsel for the defense said. "And thereafter, we rest our case."

[...]

"The Court of Political Justice has reached a verdict," he announced. "Wilbur Whately, and your attorney, approach and hear the verdict."

The defense lawyer motioned a young man who had been sitting beside him to rise. In the silence that had fallen, I could hear the defendant's boots squeaking as he went forward to hear his fate. The judge picked up a belt and a pair of pistols that had been lying in front of him.

"Wilbur Whately," he began, "this court is proud to announce that you have been unanimously acquitted of the charge of political irresponsibility, and of unjustified and excessive atrocity.

"There was one dissenting vote on acquitting you of the charge of political irresponsibility; one of the associate judges felt that the late unmitigated scoundrel, Austin Maverick, ought to have been skinned alive, an inch at a time. You are, however, acquitted of that charge, too.

"You all know," he continued, addressing the entire assemblage, "the reason for which this young hero cut down that monster of political iniquity, S. Austin Maverick. On the very morning of his justly-merited death, Austin Maverick, using the powers of his political influence, rammed through the Finance and Revenue Committee a bill entitled 'An Act for the Taxing of Personal Incomes, and for the Levying of a Withholding Tax.' Fellow citizens, words fail me to express my horror of this diabolic proposition, this proposed instrument of tyrannical extortion, borrowed from the Dark Ages of the Twentieth Century! Why, if this young nobleman had not taken his blade in hand, I'd have killed the sonofabitch, myself!"

He leaned forward, extending the belt and holsters to the defendant.

"I therefore restore to you your weapons, taken from you when, in compliance with the law, you were formally arrested. Buckle them on, and, assuming your weapons again, go forth from this court a free man, Wilbur Whately. And take with you that machete with which you vindicated the liberties and rights of all New Texans. Bear it reverently to your home, hang it among your lares and penates, cherish it, and dying, mention it within your will, bequeathing it as a rich legacy unto your issue! Court adjourned; next session 0900 tomorrow. For Chrissake, let's get out of here before the barbecue's over!"


Apparently, on New Texas, killing a politician wasn't regarded as mallum in se [sic]*, and was mallum prohibitorum [sic]* only to the extent that what happened to the politician was in excess of what he deserved.


(* Proper spelling is Malum in se and Malum prohibitum, but Piper didn't have access to Wikipedia in 1958.)
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Re: Latest attack on gun ownership: HR 5715

Postby Bearcatrp on Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:32 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:Similar bills are introduced every year from the same cast of miscreants.

This bill has zero chance of being passed, even in the democrat controlled House.

Unless they sneak it in this stimulus bill that most won't read. Guess we will find out soon.
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