AR500 Steel Targets

[InfiniteGrim]

Please tell me you have more!

I am sold for one right now!

I just got burned by a guy on ebay claiming to have ar500 targets this is what they look like from 62gr HP's 68gr OTM, and SS109

Penetration...

SB 62gr - .5mm
68gr OTM -.25-.4mm
SS-109- 1-1.25mm









Now your targets look awsome, would .308/7.62x54r be out of the question at 100 yards? I mainly shoot .223 so i woulnd mind if it wasnt able to handle them.

[Dick Unger]

I've got what you've got, it for pistols, except I have to stand too close with a pistol. It's standard steel. I've also got Brinnell 450 plate, that handles 30 cal rilfes easily. The 500 stuff will be even tougher. You can shoot thousands of rounds at it.

Hang it on a bolt, not a clevis. Then it will deflect scrap into the dirt. Otherwise it goes a long way.

Didn't see these at the show Sunday.

[InfiniteGrim]

I've got what you've got, it for pistols, except I have to stand too close with a pistol. It's standard steel. I've also got Brinnell 450 plate, that handles 30 cal rilfes easily. The 500 stuff will be even tougher. You can shoot thousands of rounds at it.

Hang it on a bolt, not a clevis. Then it will deflect scrap into the dirt. Otherwise it goes a long way.

Didn't see these at the show Sunday.

Except the guy sold it as AR500 for .308!

Im worried about 3/8" with FMJ .308, im guessing surplus 7.62x54r with possible steel cores would be out of the question, what about 7.62x54r FMJ lead core?

[forcefed]

I've got what you've got, it for pistols, except I have to stand too close with a pistol. It's standard steel. I've also got Brinnell 450 plate, that handles 30 cal rilfes easily. The 500 stuff will be even tougher. You can shoot thousands of rounds at it.

Hang it on a bolt, not a clevis. Then it will deflect scrap into the dirt. Otherwise it goes a long way.

Didn't see these at the show Sunday.

Except the guy sold it as AR500 for .308!

Im worried about 3/8" with FMJ .308, im guessing surplus 7.62x54r with possible steel cores would be out of the question, what about 7.62x54r FMJ lead core?

I have 7.62x54r in steel core and lead core... Im sure Evan would let me test one out

[Sigfan220]

Please tell me you have more!

I am sold for one right now!

I just got burned by a guy on ebay claiming to have ar500 targets this is what they look like from 62gr HP's 68gr OTM, and SS109

Penetration...

SB 62gr - .5mm
68gr OTM -.25-.4mm
SS-109- 1-1.25mm


Now your targets look awsome, would .308/7.62x54r be out of the question at 100 yards? I mainly shoot .223 so i woulnd mind if it wasnt able to handle them.

Yeah I saw those on Ebay. Sorry you got burned. I think he claims to have cut them from a solid chunk of material. I would like to see the saw blade that can cut AR500!! I tried to take a burr off with a file and had trouble, had to get out the grinder. True AR500 is pretty hard stuff! For the 308 and 7.62x54 I would start at 150 yards and see how it looks. Based on MNmike59's range report we know 200 yards is OK.

[InfiniteGrim]

So how do i go about ordering from you?

Do you accept paypal, check?

[Sigfan220]

Didn't see these at the show Sunday.

Yeah they kind of got burried in a mountain of brass and bullets. My display target was sitting on the Dillon RL550 box. Not many people even saw it.

[Dick Unger]

I've got what you've got, it for pistols, except I have to stand too close with a pistol. It's standard steel. I've also got Brinnell 450 plate, that handles 30 cal rilfes easily. The 500 stuff will be even tougher. You can shoot thousands of rounds at it.

Hang it on a bolt, not a clevis. Then it will deflect scrap into the dirt. Otherwise it goes a long way.

Didn't see these at the show Sunday.

Except the guy sold it as AR500 for .308!

Im worried about 3/8" with FMJ .308, im guessing surplus 7.62x54r with possible steel cores would be out of the question, what about 7.62x54r FMJ lead core?

I have 7.62x54r in steel core and lead core... Im sure Evan would let me test one out

The bullet, (lead, steel etc.) made no difference on mine. It's the velocity that generates heat that melts the softer steel. My 1/2 soft steel makes a concave bubble (convex on the far side). You need the hard stuff for any rifle. You can't drill it or torch it, I think they use a punch and a shear to work it.

[Norsesmithy]

I decided to abuse one of these targets just for fun, and shot it at fairly close range (25 yards or so) with both .30-06 and .223, and while they did get dimpled, the destruction was no where near what you posted, Infinite Grim.

Sigfan's targets are good and tough.

I'll try to get some pictures posted tomorrow this evening

[Pinnacle]

This type of steel is worked with Plasma - or Laser - or Waterjet Cutting


This is not armor steel once again. This is a mining steel and it will be fine for making ringers. I would not be shooting at 25 yards with a 30-06 - seems like Darwin in action.

I caught a shard of bullet jacket back IN THE NECK a few years ago - another 2-3mm to the left and I would have been DEAD. This was a 308@25m at Bullet Resistant glass - and trust - steel is a buttload harder.

[Sigfan220]

I decided to abuse one of these targets just for fun, and shot it at fairly close range (25 yards or so) with both .30-06 and .223, and while they did get dimpled, the destruction was no where near what you posted, Infinite Grim.

Sigfan's targets are good and tough.

I'll try to get some pictures posted tomorrow this evening

Thanks for the range update. You may want to move them back though. As Pinnacle pointed out at close range rifle jackets can do some damage. For rifles 100 yards is the minimun safe distance. Pistols at 10-30 yards are fine.

[Dick Unger]

Yeah, please don't use a rifle at 25 yards on steel in real life. And please don't hang it flat.

Set a piece of plywood alongside the target so some of the splatter will hit the plywood and you'll remember this after you see what happens to the plywood. Some of the splatter is big stuff, and it is high velocity.

Shooting at steel is serious business. Pinnacle knows this stuff, I kind of learned it by being dumb and lucky. Darwin Elementary School, First Grade diploma. here.

[Norsesmithy]

Oh, I know better than to hang them flat, and I did do it with a sandbagged rifle and behind cover. I know what gongs can do, we've all seen the video of the guy getting his ear pro knocked off by a return from a .50 BMG fired at a gong at significantly longer range. Like I said, this was a plate test, not something I was going to make a habit of.

Reminds me, I haven't taken a picture yet, and I've got to get off to church.

[Norsesmithy]

Sorry for double posting.

Picture attached is one .30-06 hit from a M1 Garand at approximately 25 yards (dirtier looking upper hit) and one 5.56 hit from a 20 inch AR-15 at approximately the same range (shinier hit). Target has been painted white, and was suspended using fence wire from re-rod fence post, angled to deflect splatter down.

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. This is much MUCH closer range than is safe to fire at steel with rifles at, and this test was conducted via a weighted rifle sled, and me pulling the trigger with a string while crouching behind a mature tree that will (and has) stop .30-06 direct fire, never mind splatter. This was simply a test to test for myself whether or not these plates would withstand regular extended use in the fastest way possible.

The 5.56 was Federal American Eagle XM193, and the .30-06 was ИK 1957 headstamped corrosive boxer primed (if anyone knows where this is from, I'd like to hear it). Supposedly therefore, the 5.56 was going ~3150 fps and the .30-06 was going ~2800 fps, but neither of these figures are chrono verified.

Neither crater is more than a 1/32nd or so deep, the .30-06 impact in particular is hardly deep enough to feel compared to just scraping off the paint elsewhere on the target, and the 5.56 impact is more noticeable but still very smooth, and roughly equivalent to what .22 LR does to unhardened 1/4 inch scrap. Even if I were to abuse these targets in this manner on a regular basis, they would still remain serviceable for thousands of hits just like these.

Backing it up to my usual 200 yard shooting position, and I think these will last a lifetime.

I am satisfied with the product.

[InfiniteGrim]

Range Report...

-62gr JHP silver bear didnt leave any penetration but parts of the jacket are on the target.
-55gr FMJ no penetration, left parts of jacket.
-68gr OTM didnt leave a thing.
-M855 (SS109 reload) left a dent that is as deep as the blade of a razor (see pic)

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Hits along the edge did damage!
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M855

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