Ended up buying a safe from the guy in Rogers. Very excited about it! Thanks for the responses guys. What do you guys say about putting them on something? Some people say bolt to the floor and others say put them on a pallet over the concrete to keep the moisture out.
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Gun safes
by LumberZach on Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:32 pm
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Re: Gun safes
by BigBlue on Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:01 pm
Some safe companies require you to bolt them to the floor for the theft warranty, so check into that. If you don't back it up to a wall and bolt it down it is a lot more vulnerable to attacks. Though if a thief has enough time with a safe and some power tools it probably doesn't matter.
Re: Gun safes
by mahnster on Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:20 pm
Bolt it down. Have it sitting on four hockey pucks and have the bolts going through the pucks.
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Re: Gun safes
by karlobag on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:49 am
Bolt it down. Have it sitting on four hockey pucks and have the bolts going through the pucks.
+1 on this!
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Re: Gun safes
by Ghost on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:53 am
karlobag wrote:Bolt it down. Have it sitting on four hockey pucks and have the bolts going through the pucks.
+1 on this!
+2 on the bolts, your choice on the pucks
Re: Gun safes
by LarryFlew on Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:24 pm
Bolting provides 2 things. One the obvious is they can't take the whole safe. Two they can't tip it over for easier prying etc to get it open. Just slows things down a lot but still doesn't replace insurance.
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Re: Gun safes
by OldmanFCSA on Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:18 pm
Bolt to floor AND to the wall to take away the leverage factor of using the height of safe to break the floor bolts.
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Re: Gun safes
by Steelslinger on Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:10 am
Pick a rubber cattle stall mat at fleet farm if you want a good moisture barrier on concrete to protect the bottom of your safe. Then bolt it down, leaves no open space like a pallet or pucks for anyone to get leverage on it.
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Re: Gun safes
by OldmanFCSA on Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:22 am
So would access to a 6 foot long pry bar allow for defeating the bolts in the floor?
My guess is YES and if bolts would not break loose from floor, the bolt heads would rip out of bottom of safe.
The rubber mat is a good is a for moisture prevention, but may allow for additional compression allowing safe to be pried forward enough to use the body of a safe as a pry bar. Grab your safe near the top back edge and pull forward with all you got. Did it move? Were you able to get your fingers in between wall and safe? if yes, the potential exists to use the safe itself to break or otherwise remove the bolting to floor option.
Floor bolting is a place to start, but bolting to a wall is much more important because tipping away from wall breaking the floor connection allows for entire safe to be stolen by tipping it onto a wheeled cart allowing it to be taken it to a place more accessible for opening it whether with torches or grinders. If the owner went to the trouble of installing it in a basement, the cart option has been hindered but still available. Good stair-climbing refrig carts are available.
If no one is at home for an extended time, as on vacation or snow-birding, extra time is available for opening the safe on-site. The backs and some sides of safes are easily penetrated with metal working tools, so prevent access to that option by bolting to a wall in a corner. Restrict second side access as well.
My guess is YES and if bolts would not break loose from floor, the bolt heads would rip out of bottom of safe.
The rubber mat is a good is a for moisture prevention, but may allow for additional compression allowing safe to be pried forward enough to use the body of a safe as a pry bar. Grab your safe near the top back edge and pull forward with all you got. Did it move? Were you able to get your fingers in between wall and safe? if yes, the potential exists to use the safe itself to break or otherwise remove the bolting to floor option.
Floor bolting is a place to start, but bolting to a wall is much more important because tipping away from wall breaking the floor connection allows for entire safe to be stolen by tipping it onto a wheeled cart allowing it to be taken it to a place more accessible for opening it whether with torches or grinders. If the owner went to the trouble of installing it in a basement, the cart option has been hindered but still available. Good stair-climbing refrig carts are available.
If no one is at home for an extended time, as on vacation or snow-birding, extra time is available for opening the safe on-site. The backs and some sides of safes are easily penetrated with metal working tools, so prevent access to that option by bolting to a wall in a corner. Restrict second side access as well.
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