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Postby White Horseradish on Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:17 pm

This is how the ATF describes the process of applying to make an SBR. Buying an SBR is the same, except you use Form 4 instead of Form 1.

Prior to making a firearm, the individual must submit ATF Form 1 (5320.1), Application to Make and Register a Firearm, to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch, and receive approval. Form must be submitted in duplicate.

The applicant is to place, on each copy of the form, a 2-inch by 2-inch photograph of the applicant taken within the past year (proofs, group photographs or photocopies are unacceptable). The applicant’s address must be a street address, not a post office box. If there is no street address, specific directions to the residence must be included.

If State or local law requires a permit or license to purchase, possess, or receive NFA firearms, a copy of the applicant’s permit or license must accompany the application. A check or money order for $200 shall be made payable to ATF by the applicant. All signatures on both copies must be in ink.

Fingerprints also must be submitted on FBI Form FD-258, in duplicate. Fingerprints must be taken by a person qualified to do so, and must be clear and classifiable. If wear or damage to the fingertips do not allow clear prints, and if the prints are taken by a law enforcement official, a statement on his or her official letterhead giving the reason why good prints are unobtainable should accompany the fingerprints.

Forward the original and a duplicate of the completed application and appropriate tax payment to the Bureau of ATF, National Firearms Act Branch, P.O. Box 530298, Atlanta, GA 30353-0298.

If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. If the application is denied, the tax will be refunded. Applications to make a firearm will not be approved if Federal, State, or local law prohibits possession of the firearm.

[26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 479.61-65]


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Re: SBR information

Postby White Horseradish on Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:16 pm

This is what MPD says on the subject:

To Police Police.Police@minneapolismn.gov

I am a resident of Minneapolis. I am considering applying to Bureau of ATF to make a Short Barrel Rifle.
This would require me to submit Form 1, section 13 of which is "Law Enforcement Certification". (The form is attached)

What is the procedure for submitting this form and obtaining the certification?

Thank you


Police Police.Police@minneapolismn.gov to me

We received your e-mail message concerning the above subject and have forwarded it to the appropriate Police Department unit to respond to your inquiry.

Thank you for contacting us.

John Gaffner
Business Technology Unit
Minneapolis Police Department


Hildreth, Christopher Christopher.Hildreth@minneapolismn.gov to me

Sir,

You need to complete the form and bring or send it to this office; Police License Investigation Division, 350 South 5th Street, Rm. 1A, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415.

First, we conduct research to determine if the weapon you want to make will be legal to possess in Minnesota under current State laws.

Second, if you possess a permit to purchase or a conceal carry permit in Minnesota and can show proof of the same then we conduct a brief recheck of your background to see that nothing has changed since the last background. Or, if you do not possess such permits, then we will have you complete in person a transfer/purchase application and then we will conduct a background check on you to determine your eligibility to legally possess firearms in Minnesota. This requires you to appear in person at our office. You will need current government issued picture ID showing you as a resident of Minneapolis. We will have you complete an application with various signatures to release information.

I hope this answers your questions.

Lt. Christopher Hildreth

Commander Police License Investigative Division.
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Re: SBR information

Postby rukwikenuf on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:49 pm

i love how Lt. Christopher Hildreth just said you need a Permit to Purchase a firearms or Concealed Carry Permit.
are you **** kidding me? Concealed Carry Permit?! he's a damn LT, he should know that it's a Permit to Carry a Handgun!! that's what's typed at the top of the damn things.

thanks Horseradish. i'm kickin' around the idea of an SBR. this is useful info
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Re: SBR information

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:32 pm

rukwikenuf wrote:i love how Lt. Christopher Hildreth just said you need a Permit to Purchase a firearms or Concealed Carry Permit.
are you **** kidding me? Concealed Carry Permit?! he's a damn LT, he should know that it's a Permit to Carry a Handgun!! that's what's typed at the top of the damn things.

thanks Horseradish. i'm kickin' around the idea of an SBR. this is useful info


Pretty sure it is a permit to carry period. LT needs to brush up as well but... ;)
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Re: SBR information

Postby Slayer_MN1 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:02 am

actually mine is marked permit to carry a pistol. guess that means no revolvers for me... :( haha
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Re: SBR information

Postby Hmac on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:02 am

White Horseradish wrote:This is how the ATF describes the process of applying to make an SBR. Buying an SBR is the same, except you use Form 4 instead of Form 1.



Also need one copy of the ATF Certificate of Compliance http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf . It's also important to note that if you fill out and print either the online Form 1 or Form 4, they need to be printed on both sides of a single sheet of paper.

Building ("making") an SBR also requires that the firearm be engraved with the maker's name/city/state. Not required if buying one already manufactured by a licensed manufacturer - in that case it gets transferred on a Form 4 and engraving by the buyer is not required.
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Re: SBR information

Postby Pinnacle on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:10 am

There is someone that can engrave for you if you need in Robbinsdale.. Reasonable Charge.. PM Me if you need more
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Re: SBR information

Postby selurcspi on Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:03 pm

Slayer_MN1 wrote:actually mine is marked permit to carry a pistol. guess that means no revolvers for me... :( haha



Revolvers are Pistols too!

Word Origin & History

pistol

"small hand-held firearm," c.1570, from M.Fr. pistole "short firearm" (1566), of uncertain origin, sometimes said to be from Ger. Pistole, from Czech pis'tala "firearm," lit. "tube, pipe," from pisteti "to whistle," of imitative origin, related to Rus. pischal "shepherd's pipe." But earlier form pistolet


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Re: SBR information

Postby kollector03 on Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:08 pm

Pinnacle wrote:There is someone that can engrave for you if you need in Robbinsdale.. Reasonable Charge.. PM Me if you need more


I Used Orion Arms for my engraving. Top notch service at a very reasonable cost.
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Re: SBR information

Postby Hmac on Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:02 am

kollector03 wrote:
Pinnacle wrote:There is someone that can engrave for you if you need in Robbinsdale.. Reasonable Charge.. PM Me if you need more


I Used Orion Arms for my engraving. Top notch service at a very reasonable cost.


Orion has an excellent reputation, but every time I need to get something engraved I price it at both Orion Arms (Lino Lakes) and Ident Marking (someplace in Texas). Orion always comes out more expensive for the engraving, shipping is more expensive, and Orion has to charge sales tax. Last time I did this it was for engraving a stripped lower in the trigger well. Orion wanted $65 + $14 shipping + sales tax. Ident charged by $45 + $12 shipping. I've been completely satisfied by the five engraving projects I've sent to Ident.
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Re: SBR information

Postby EllisW on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:31 pm

It's about time I get this sbr paperwork started. In central Minneapolis, where do I go and who do I talk to to get the individual (not trust) paperwork signed? I'm a little hazy on this, even after looking around. Do I call up any police station and ask or is there a central department I should go to?
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Re: SBR information

Postby Hmac on Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:06 pm

EllisW wrote:It's about time I get this sbr paperwork started. In central Minneapolis, where do I go and who do I talk to to get the individual (not trust) paperwork signed? I'm a little hazy on this, even after looking around. Do I call up any police station and ask or is there a central department I should go to?


Do you plan on building your SBR (Form 1) or buying one pre-built from a manufacturer Form 4? The latter makes for a somewhat more cumbersome process, but you can go to the "Class III" dealer (SOT) to buy the rifle and they can help you through the process, might even have the right forms sitting around.

It's unlikely that you'll get any information or help on the process from your local LEO and they certainly don't have the forms. IMHO, it's rare that anyone there even has a clue. The whole process is a Federal one - ATF NFA Branch.

First you need to get the blank forms. They can all be downloaded from the ATF website, or you can have them mail them to you. If you request, they'll also mail you preprinted fingerprint cards. If you download the forms and fill them out, be aware that both sides of the Form 1 or 4 need to be on the same sheet of paper.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/firearms/index.html
http://www.atf.gov/content/distribution ... order-form

You need to get fingerprints taken on the standard form FBI fingerprint form and marked with NFA Branch'es ORI number. You need to complete two copies of the Form 1, attach a recent 2x2 photograph to each, then take the completed form to your local chief law enforcement officer to be signed. That might be your local sheriff of the county where you live, or if you live in a city, your chief of police. There are a few other office-holders that might qualify, like a District Court Judge or a County Attorney, but you'd have to read up on that. It would be worthwhile to find out beforehand whether or not your particular CLEO would sign it...some do refuse.
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