A thought on "rules"

[plblark]

Seems the best way to eliminate the drama and the complaining on all fronts is to eliminate the marketplace

Are you actively TRYING to kill the site? There's a large number of people who come here for the marketplace and stay for the interaction.

One solution is to take the ball and go home. One option is to see every issue as a need for more rules and enforcement. Somewhere in the middle is a solution that doesn't stifle the back and forth of a fun and active forum with draconian zero judgement zero tolerance BS.

[chudrockz]

Seems the best way to eliminate the drama and the complaining on all fronts is to eliminate the marketplace

Or just get rid of the market place rules, or majority of them. That way it wouldn't require much moderation, and people could argue, go off topic, bump or go about trying to sell/buy/trade things as they see fit.

True. Let the Marketplace run itself "free market" style. If people are that butthurt about it then they'll stop visiting or posting items for sale. Somehow, I doubt that it will have much effect. Maybe run it as a two month test? A nice little contest to see just how horrible the anarchy is.

For what it's worth I'd be interested in seeing a test run of anarchy as well. If it blows goats, then move towards dictatorship.

[tt3]

Or just get rid of the market place rules, or majority of them. That way it wouldn't require much moderation, and people could argue, go off topic, bump or go about trying to sell/buy/trade things as they see fit.

True. Let the Marketplace run itself "free market" style. If people are that butthurt about it then they'll stop visiting or posting items for sale. Somehow, I doubt that it will have much effect. Maybe run it as a two month test? A nice little contest to see just how horrible the anarchy is.

For what it's worth I'd be interested in seeing a test run of anarchy as well. If it blows goats, then move towards dictatorship.

I believe that was the first few years of the marketplace. As a mod on other boards I understand there is no winning, just easing up the bs in the PM box. Good luck gents, I'm glad it's not me.

[LarryFlew]

One solution is to take the ball and go home. One option is to see every issue as a need for more rules and enforcement. Somewhere in the middle is a solution that doesn't stifle the back and forth of a fun and active forum with draconian zero judgement zero tolerance BS.

Hmmmmmmmmmm sounds like some kind of gun control issue

[Thunder71]

More laws aren't the answer - troll's don't obey laws!

Wait, wrong thread... or is it?

[tman]

Give the people who sell stuff in the marketplace the ability to "moderate" their own sale threads. Problem solved.

[Thunder71]

If only the site had an active administrator.

[Grayskies]

Could they move the forum to a new site? Or just start a new one and lock this one down?

[Thunder71]

Some have, it's hard to get members without spamming so it's difficult to get it off the ground.

[Stradawhovious]

Could they move the forum to a new site? Or just start a new one and lock this one down?

Yeah.... that's the answer! A new MN based firearms forum!

MNGuntalk

MNGunchat

MNGunsite

The Carry Forum

Twin Cities Carry

and now. coming soon ???

Sign me up.

Some have, it's hard to get members without spamming so it's difficult to get it off the ground.

Which is surprising, since the vast majority of folks here complaining about the management have been told by the mods to go check them out since this one seems to be so overbearing.

Man, I love this thead. the intrawebz kick ass.

[Pat Cannon]

Or just get rid of the market place rules, or majority of them. That way it wouldn't require much moderation, and people could argue, go off topic, bump or go about trying to sell/buy/trade things as they see fit.

True. Let the Marketplace run itself "free market" style. If people are that butthurt about it then they'll stop visiting or posting items for sale. Somehow, I doubt that it will have much effect. Maybe run it as a two month test? A nice little contest to see just how horrible the anarchy is.

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

[Thunder71]

You missed the best one Strad!

[Stradawhovious]

True. Let the Marketplace run itself "free market" style. If people are that butthurt about it then they'll stop visiting or posting items for sale. Somehow, I doubt that it will have much effect. Maybe run it as a two month test? A nice little contest to see just how horrible the anarchy is.

The problem is that the statement in bold isn't accurate. What will happen is that the inbox of the moderators will fill up with endless complaints from folks who are butthurt, but refuse to stop beating their head into the proverbial wall and go somewhere else. Either that, or time and time again someone will start a thread, much like this one, where the complaint is voiced in the open forum and everyone piles on. This results in the moderators either trying to redirect the butthurt, address the butthurt, or add to the butthurt by being a jerk, respectively.

Then the moderators adjurn to their little back room where nobody can decide which way to best handle the situation because nothing is really ever good enough for a mass of people who confront each other throuth the relative safety and anonymity of the keyboard. This causes the moderators to get irritated even further, and now the whole forum just synced up on their menses cycle.

Sound familiar? Happens about once every 6 months here.

What the forum needs is either heavier moderation, which some of the folks here would welcome, and some of the folks would throw a fit about........

Or no moderation. Which some of the folks would welcome, and some of the folks would be pissed about.

Both ways have been tried, and both ways have failed. This, coupled with a fundamental and terminal disagreement with some of the folks in a position of "power" here are the reasons I'm no longer a mod here. If half the folks complaining about this would spend a week dealing with the same **** the mods deal with, you would have a better understanding of just how difficult intranetz folk can be.

You can't please all the people all the time..... but you can get drunk and watch the show.

[Stradawhovious]

You missed the best one Strad!

If I missed it, I'm not aware of it...... or my subconscious has blocked it.

[Pat Cannon]

How about, charge five dollars to flag a post?