So, censorship is here then?

[Widge]

My poor eyes and ears! Now I need to go and lie down I'm so upset. Someone used the 'S' word.

This is too stupid for words, or even ********s.

If you don't like it then go into your User Control Panel and turn it off. The reason that people shouldn't bypass the word filter is because it takes that choice away from people who do want it.

Mike, that was my point. I have the filter off, other people who might be offended should have theirs on.

As I said before, gratuitous obscenity should be dealt with, but the occasional mild expletive for emphasis or effect? Is it that much of a problem that everything should be banned and people censured? This is a forum for adults and adults occasionally use bad words, it's the nature of the beast.

As for the occasional use of another language, how often does that happen? American English is made up of foreign languages, it hasn't hurt anything yet.

[rucker]

read this about the word filter and then, if necessary, resume complaining

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3992#p41677

[jac714]

Jac714,

Why do you feel you have to deal with every complaint? That's my point. Just because one person (or even ten) complain, Mike is under no obligation to do anything. Someone doesn't like an alcohol reference? If Mike agrees that alcohol shouldn't be discussed, even as a joke, on the board, then that complaint can be satisfied. If he doesn't agree that it's an issue, then he says, "sorry, I don't have a problem with it."

Again, what he wants is what matters. Trying to please individuals is always a losing game.

I reply because I, acting at the behest of the new mods, posted clarification of the rules and feel that in any discussion (especially one where I am being gratutiously insulted) if you say something you should respond to others comments and provide explanation/amplification as needed I am sorry you for some reason find that objectionable.

Perhaps Ruckers reasoning behind appointing mods again was so that he did not have to make all those decisions and asked people he trusted to assist. He is aware of these clarifications and has seen them (and participated in this thread) and not recinded them so he must concur, correct?

I am amazed that the automatic assumption is that we are going to remake this place and change the rules, the rules have been there since the inception and have been enforced.

[ttousi]

ahhh yes which complaints take precedence.........complaints about possible moderation, complaints about thread drift, complaints on content/subject............etc

Seems like the complaints about pending moderation have should carry more weight than others according to some.

[1911fan]

Its Rucker's board. He asked Jeff and the others for help. Rucker has NOT revoked their authority to be mods, so he (THE OWNER of the board) must like the concept.

Do not take the appointment of Mods as a personal attack.

[Widge]

My previous post was written while Ttousi and Rucker were writing theirs so I didn't get the difference they were trying to point out.

I have no quarrel with penalties being assessed on deliberate bypasses of the filter, but that is not what the rule quoted at the start of this thread says:

1.) Profanity (or attempts to bypass the profanity filter) will be edited out and a warning issued.

If it said something like:

'Gratiutous profanity, obscenity, or attempts to bypass the word filter will result in a warning followed by other sanctions', then I would have no issue at all. As for my other points, I believe Ttousi has addressed those already.

[ttousi]

Its Rucker's board. He asked Jeff and the others for help. Rucker has NOT revoked their authority to be mods, so he (THE OWNER of the board) must like the concept.

Do not take the appointment of Mods as a personal attack.

I for one have a thick skin...............

[jac714]

My previous post was written while Ttousi and Rucker were writing theirs so I didn't get the difference they were trying to point out.

I have no quarrel with penalties being assessed on deliberate bypasses of the filter, but that is not what the rule quoted at the start of this thread says:

1.) Profanity (or attempts to bypass the profanity filter) will be edited out and a warning issued.

If it said something like:

'Gratiutous profanity, obscenity, or attempts to bypass the word filter will result in a warning followed by other sanctions', then I would have no issue at all. As for my other points, I believe Ttousi has addressed those already.

I will give you that, I was less specific than i should have been.

[David]

Jac714, I think we're not communicating well here. Nothing I've said has been attacking or unreasonable. You seem to be getting defensive and are taking this personally. I never said I found anything objectionable, and all of my comments have been related to how this might change the feel of the board. I've been very careful to say that it's fine with me either way.

When I asked why it was felt that all complaints should be dealt with, I wasn't referring to the posts in this thread. I was referring to all the complaints Rucker has apparently been getting via PM. Sorry for not being clear about that. I wasn't saying that you should feel the need to respond to people asking you questions here, I was saying that Rucker shouldn't feel the need to satisfy everyone. I said that Mike should run the board any way he wants, and not go to great lengths to appease those who get bent about something. There aren't enough hours in the day to worry about stuff like that, and after all, it's just a message board.

Sorry for the confusion, and I appreciate anyone's efforts to make this a better place. That would stand a better chance of happening if people calmed down and stopped getting defensive. Tom seems to have a handle on it.

[ttousi]

as with everything the written word doesn't always make the intent clear............we're trying.. and welcome the comments/suggestions.........

and if some of you aren't careful I will be recommending you to rucker as mods

[jac714]

Jac714, I think we're not communicating well here. Nothing I've said has been attacking or unreasonable. You seem to be getting defensive and are taking this personally. I never said I found anything objectionable, and all of my comments have been related to how this might change the feel of the board. I've been very careful to say that it's fine with me either way.

When I asked why it was felt that all complaints should be dealt with, I wasn't referring to the posts in this thread. I was referring to all the complaints Rucker has apparently been getting via PM. Sorry for not being clear about that. I wasn't saying that you should feel the need to respond to people asking you questions here, I was saying that Rucker shouldn't feel the need to satisfy everyone. I said that Mike should run the board any way he wants, and not go to great lengths to appease those who get bent about something. There aren't enough hours in the day to worry about stuff like that, and after all, it's just a message board.

Sorry for the confusion, and I appreciate anyone's efforts to make this a better place. That would stand a better chance of happening if people calmed down and stopped getting defensive. Tom seems to have a handle on it.

Perhaps I am somewhat defensive but the automatic assumption that the new mods were going to do all kinds of inappropriate and distasteful things coupled with thinly veiled personal attackes in the first few posts coupled with the title of this entire thread may have partially caused that reaction. Not all posters to this thread have been as rational as you have, thank you for that by the way. It annoys me that people will automatically think the worst of others, that is not in any way meant as a comment on you David.

I don't think anyone is trying to please everyone, the purpose of this entire exercise was to provide clarification to already existing rules and consequences as we saw them given the mandate we were given by Mike I was simply the one chosen to write them down and did so in the best way I could. I apologize for any missunderstandings.

[ttousi]

see if we let you write again......... (well maybe a couple more chances)
Tough assignment though............thanks jeff

I think we have clarified most points but if anything further is needed ........ask.

[jac714]

see if we let you write again......... (well maybe a couple more chances)
Tough assignment though............thanks jeff

I think we have clarified most points but if anything further is needed ........ask.

Please do, we need all the help we can get.

[ttousi]

If it said something like:

'Gratiutous profanity, obscenity, or attempts to bypass the word filter will result in a warning followed by other sanctions', then I would have no issue at all.

I like the wording

[David]

I think we have clarified most points but if anything further is needed ........ask.

Crystal clear in my book. I hope it works out and everyone ends up with a board that can be lived with. I think as long as it's considered a living thing and people can adapt, it will work out. Thanks for everyone's efforts!