Need a good argument for use with an anti....

[EJSG19]

I say have a couple friends impersonate BATF agents and confiscate them.

Now you're talking!

Better yet, just take Nemo along with you. Your Mom will be so pissed off at him, that while she is busy tearing him a new orifice, you can just have a heart to heart with your Dad and solve the problem.

Women and fear are irrational... Not enough time in the day to be the VoR for everyone that needs it.

[hammAR]

Where the heck is VoR, he should have a solution to this problem.

RTK

:Swoops in to the rescue:
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+1 on VoR.................slow indoctrination with the end game being the caring and preservation of this asset.
in addition you may consider offering to get a Stackon Safe and install it in the attic. This way your mother will ease her fear of "wild guns" running around their house uncontrolled, as well as locked up in her house = safe and under control...

[Nemo]

Women are irrational,.

I can't possibly take you seriously after that statement. I would venture a guess that there a whole lot of folks that will disagree with this, myself being one of them. Women are no more irrational than men, and to call all fear irrational is in and of itself irrational. Thanks for playing though.

I hoped the owner's community is less brainwashed than the rest of the country... What's wrong with irrational? If you think or read any book on psychology you will know that feeling (including fear) is by definition irracional. I didn't say men can't be irrational or women can't be rational. The only statement is that men are less capable of feelings (=irracionality) then women, and more inclined to solve problems logically, which is not always right thing to do, and vice versa. Btw, this is exactly what you do here.

Suggested reading:
"Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" (published in May 1992) is a book by John Gray.

PS: I can tell you even more, it's a huge secret, don't tell anyone: All people are Different!
Sorry to offend you, but the sooner this country realizes this simple fact of Nature the sooner it will have a chance to survive.

[Stradawhovious]

Well, according to the law, I could borrow them for hunting for the next 40+ years...........

[Stradawhovious]

:blah: .

Back track away, but you clearly stated in your previous post that you feel women (all inclusive, there were no disclaimers) are irrational. In addition to that I don't much take kindly to condescention from people who feel more enlightened that others because they read "Men are from Mars....". I've taken a large handfull of psychology classes in my day, and would never make the statement "Women are irrational". Nor would I come to a large community of people I have never met and tell them they don't have a clue what they are talking about. I'm going to go ahead and chalk this one up to a fail. Once again, thanks for playing.

ETA suggested reading for ya...... "How to Make Friends and Influence People"

[hammAR]

I would not have a problem with "Women are irrational"..............
how can you justify having 10 purses and 25 pairs of shoes.....
total waste of funds that could have purchased a dozen guns....
guns are for protection, all men know that..........

Besides, women do not throw away their lives just because their pecker gets hard....
oops............different thread

[Nemo]

:blah: .

Back track away, but you clearly stated in your previous post that you feel women (all inclusive, there were no disclaimers) are irrational.
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ETA suggested reading for ya...... "How to Make Friends and Influence People"

Thanks, I've read the book. No offense ment, what's wrong with irrational? the only meaning is that the person rely more on their feelings rather than on their logics. I'm not in business of disclaimers. That's for libs. I wish I was more irrational sometimes and let my feelings prevail over my logics. But I can't. So?

[macphisto]

ETA suggested reading for ya...... "How to Make Friends and Influence People"

The name of the book is "How to WIN Friends and Influence People," you stupid idiot my friend.

[Stradawhovious]

Thanks, I've read the book. No offense ment, what's wrong with irrational? the only meaning is that the person rely more on their feelings rather than on their logics. I'm not in business of disclaimers. That's for libs. I wish I was more irrational sometimes and let my feelings prevail over my logics. But I can't. So?

I don't much feel like participating in a circular argument over the proprietary semantics of specific publications or personal opinion so this will be my last involvement with it in this thread.

Thanks for playing. If you would like to continue the discussion over beers someday I'm all for it, but philosophical debate when the rules change mid game is not an intraweb game I wish to play.

And for this.....

The name of the book is "How to WIN Friends and Influence People," you stupid idiot my friend.

Thanks Mac, I will keep that in mind. In the mean time, please kindly **** off.


Alrighty then.... back to our regularly scheduled program......

[Bessy]

Strad you seem like a nice guy... but seriously I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has. You and your parents are adults, you should be able to have an adult conversations about this. Don't let it go, insist that they address the issue, don't let them sweep it under the rug. You aren't a 15 year old boy. Honestly the type of nonsense you are describing stopped between me and my parents when I was about 12.

If that doesn't work... Here's a plan B.

If you parent's are anything like you (I assume they are). You should be able to distract/butter them up with a gift of delicious bacon.

[Stradawhovious]

Strad you seem like a nice guy... but seriously I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has. You and your parents are adults, you should be able to have an adult conversations about this. Don't let it go, insist that they address the issue, don't let them sweep it under the rug. You aren't a 15 year old boy. Honestly the type of nonsense you are describing stopped between me and my parents when I was about 12.

If that doesn't work... Here's a plan B.

If you parent's are anything like you (I assume they are). You should be able to distract/butter them up with a gift of delicious bacon.

Thanks.............. I think. This issue isn't about having "adult" conversations. I'm not acting childish about it, nor are they treating me as such. Everyone has something they act irrationally about, I seem to have founf my folks' "something". One way or another the firearms in question are getting serviced and secured regardless of where they are. You can bet on that.

[Bessy]

Strad you seem like a nice guy... but seriously I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has. You and your parents are adults, you should be able to have an adult conversations about this. Don't let it go, insist that they address the issue, don't let them sweep it under the rug. You aren't a 15 year old boy. Honestly the type of nonsense you are describing stopped between me and my parents when I was about 12.

If that doesn't work... Here's a plan B.

If you parent's are anything like you (I assume they are). You should be able to distract/butter them up with a gift of delicious bacon.

Thanks.............. I think. This issue isn't about having "adult" conversations. I'm not acting childish about it, nor are they treating me as such. Everyone has something they act irrationally about, I seem to have founf my folks' "something". One way or another the firearms in question are getting serviced and secured regardless of where they are. You can bet on that.

I wasn't implying you were acting like a child, I was saying your mother's reaction was one that I would expect towards a 15 year old, Given the quantity of bacon you consume, you are at least a 7.6 on the manliness meter. She's putting you at like 2. (The scale is logarithmic).

[Stradawhovious]

As for the inticement with bacon.......... That wouldn't work as well as you might think. After my father's heart attack, they have both been on the fast track to healthy town. Perfect diet, lots of exercise. Makes me tired just thinking about it.

[JustMe]

How about ask your Mom and Dad if you can add some trigger locks to the guns the next time you are over? It will no doubt confuse your Mom about intentions of acquiring them in the near future, and you can offer to clean them up before putting the locks on. Maybe even offer to put them into a lockable storage case with dessicant (sp.?) and they can have the keys to the container too. Just keep it quiet that you have your own set (maybe have a spare for your spare as well) so they can't use a 'I lost the keys so I might as well have them smelted down' line.
It shows that you are concerned with the condition of the guns and are taking them out of operation for safety's sake (just in case a burglar steals them or a bored 12 year old finds his way into their house with the appropriate ammunition and a disregard for the 4 rules of firearms safety). How could your Mom or Dad balk at that? Kind of like outfoxing the fox, since you took a step in their direction (firearms that are out of operation), but got what you desired (properly cared for and stored heirlooms). But if they refuse such a suggestion, perhaps you might have to consider them items to write off. Hopefully, that would not be the case.

[1911fan]

were the guns ever listed in your grandfathers estate? if not, then it would be well within the law to say that your grandfather bequethed them to you, and that you are in fact the rightful heir, without a document stating otherwise, there is no case for the ATF to go on.

This is not being dishonest or breaking the law, it is, in fact the way the law was written.