Question about the permit to carry class!!!

[justaguy]

because I'm not sure how long it will be before I get a job, and it's another person to put on the tally for going through permit class and supporting the 2nd amendment

But you believe it should be harder to get a permit and think that some people because they are knuckleheads shouldn't have guns?

[shadeslanding]

because I'm not sure how long it will be before I get a job, and it's another person to put on the tally for going through permit class and supporting the 2nd amendment

But you believe it should be harder to get a permit and think that some people because they are knuckleheads shouldn't have guns?

I've always said - I believe it is everyone's right to keep and bear arms... but perhaps not everyone should.

Regards,
GS
p.s. Let's go the way of Alaska (or Vermont). It looks like Arizona may also be heading that way as well.

[jmw55018]

in my opinion every person whos capable should be able to possess and carry a firearm. yes everyone. its not up to us to decide if they are physically or mentally capable of doing it. its up to them and no agency or group should try to tell them otherwise. i have seen a old man who could no longer work the slide on his 1911 but if somebody racked it for him he could draw and fire faster then i will ever hope to be able to. i have also seen 6 year old kids that have better knowledge of the safe use of firearms then a lot of grown men.

natural selection will weed them out for us. i just hope im one of the folks left standin.

[mnglocker]

p.s. Let's go the way of Alaska (or Vermont). It looks like Arizona may also be heading that way as well.

I think we need to add Montana to that list. Check out the details on http://www.handgunlaw.us , Montana has one of the most liberal carry laws or lack there of in the country. Read into the ages for carry and what the deffintition of a city is in Mt.

[ttousi]

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[bandit357]

Well I have to say so far I am getting some good views and opionions on this topic, I enjoy being able to see more than one side to things, I do think it is to much money and should be cheaper, I guess my expectations of the class where higher than what it was as far as the teaching goes. I guess I was expecting it to be more along the lines of the training you get through firearms training certification class, where they give a much greater depth of the responsibility of handling a firearm. That is why I posted the question, so I can see opions on the subject. And some are right,who is anyone to judge another when it comes to the right to bear arms! I just hope that the select group of immature people can truely handle the responsibility of being to carry that weapon on their side. But to say the least I think majority of people do a good job at that! and GOD bless America for the right to have our guns! Thanks for everyone's opions on the subject! I hope I didn't piss to many people off

[Pat Cannon]

Thanks for everyone's opions on the subject! I hope I didn't piss to many people off

Hey if you want to be a cop you'll need practice dealing with crabby argumentative people, so, smart move coming here!

[LarryFlew]

If we have to ban knuckleheads lets at least take their drivers licenses first.

[justaguy]

Thanks for everyone's opions on the subject! I hope I didn't piss to many people off

Hey if you want to be a cop you'll need practice dealing with crabby argumentative people, so, smart move coming here!

+1

[Seismic Sam]

Actually, there is one thing that I DON'T see discussed that might apply in your case, and that is WHEN and HOW would the rules that govern you as a LEO pre-empt how we must behave as private citizens. As a matter of fact, if you are employed as a full time LEO in this state, I'm not sure when or even IF having a carry permit would apply.

For instance, you see a robbery in a liquor store going down. You have to respond while you are in uniform, and possibly off duty. We CANNOT respond to incidents like this. And on the subject of off duty carry, it is my impression that LEO's off the clock are never really COMPLETELY off the clock, and are at least required to have a backup weapon on them at all times. If that's the case, then the laws that govern your behavior as a LEO may take precedence over the MPPA.

Not sure on all this. so somebody who knows more please jump in.

[GregM]

Personally, I would love to see all armed civilians go through rigorous training before they receive their permits. I would also like to see prospective parents go through rigorous training before they are allowed to reproduce. But this is where idealism crashes up up against reality, and any potential benefits would be outweighed by the loss of personal freedom.

[Paul]

Actually, there is one thing that I DON'T see discussed that might apply in your case, and that is WHEN and HOW would the rules that govern you as a LEO pre-empt how we must behave as private citizens. As a matter of fact, if you are employed as a full time LEO in this state, I'm not sure when or even IF having a carry permit would apply.

For instance, you see a robbery in a liquor store going down. You have to respond while you are in uniform, and possibly off duty. We CANNOT respond to incidents like this. And on the subject of off duty carry, it is my impression that LEO's off the clock are never really COMPLETELY off the clock, and are at least required to have a backup weapon on them at all times. If that's the case, then the laws that govern your behavior as a LEO may take precedence over the MPPA.

Not sure on all this. so somebody who knows more please jump in.

Department policy would override what you are legally able to do by law with a permit to carry. As an example most (almost all) departments state that per policy weapons must be concealed when carrying off duty, which as you know is not a requirement under the MPPA.

But in his case, he does not have a cop job... So that does not apply, yet. If and when he does get a cop job, I doubt he'll care much either way about the permit. Once he has it, I guess I see no reason not to renew it... If nothing else it makes it more convenient for purchases and such.

As far as being off duty... It's all dependent on circumstances... You are required to render aid, but if you are with your two young kids at the grocery store, their is no expectation that you would exchange gunfire with a suspect of an armed robbery, with your kids at your side.

There is no State requirement to carry off duty... In fact I think you will find that the majority of cops do not carry off duty. As far as backup weapons are concerned... It's becoming more and more rare for cops as a whole (statewide) to carry a backup gun on duty, let alone off duty.

Hope this answers some of your questions...

[Thunderjohn]

I agree that your training you just took should be good enough for your carry permit.
I'm also on the fence as far as how much the gov't should tell us what we can and can't do.
I've seen a lot of people that shouldn't carry a gun, or drive a car, or be parents.

[mrokern]

As far as backup weapons are concerned... It's becoming more and more rare for cops as a whole (statewide) to carry a backup gun on duty, let alone off duty.

Why is that?

[Paul]

As far as backup weapons are concerned... It's becoming more and more rare for cops as a whole (statewide) to carry a backup gun on duty, let alone off duty.

Why is that?

Well, for a few reasons I guess. First off a lot of departments don't authorize the carrying of backup weapons. Most cops don't really feel it's necessary as the vast majority go an entire career without ever using their gun, aside from putting down injured animals, qualification shoots, and the like. It's another item to carry, so it becomes an inconvenience.

It's been said here a few times in other threads which I agree with, that cops are not "gun people" in general. Just taking a rough guess based on my experience... I would say that no more than 10% or so go to the range or shoot on their own outside of department mandated shoots. (aside from hunting of course)

And like I said in the above paragraph, not a ton of cops even bother to carry off duty. I think, for a number of reasons, that their mentality about carrying, or its necessarity as some see it, differs than the majority on this board.