Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby Pinnacle on Fri May 07, 2010 5:08 am

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Seismic Sam wrote:Concealment don't mean Jack Shyte in Minnesota where open carry is legal with a permit, so you're asking the wrong question to begin with.


Just because it's legal doesn't mean everyone has to do it. If he wants to carry concealed (like most of us) that's his prerogative. It's not the wrong question at all.


How many people have taken any training on retention? OC is legal - but there is a time and a place and smaller guns have their place - in experienced hands. Small guns are hard to shoot well - and even intollerable to practice with due to elevated recoil and marginal sights.

I think that the most important thing to remember is to learn to shoot well first - then carry forth. If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby mnglocker on Fri May 07, 2010 8:56 am

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby Seismic Sam on Fri May 07, 2010 2:05 pm

Just to clarify, I was NOT advocating OC, but simply trying to point out that asking about concealibility is NOT the right starting question to ask in selecting a firrarm for personal defense. As I said, what's the largest caliber gun you can comfortably and ACCURATELY shoot? THAT is the key question, and figuring out how to conceal it is an issue for later on. If concealibility WERE the right question, all of us would be carrying Jennings .25ACP pistols by default.

And secondly the question of gun choice for personal carry is a VERY complex question, and you would need to write an complete book on the subject to cover everything necessary. That isn't going to happen on a board like this. Yes, there will be lots of advice, but no structure, no organization, and most importantly, incomplete coverage of key elements on the subject. Therefore, the proper thing to do is READ THE BOOK:

http://www.amazon.com/Minnesota-Permit-Carry-Firearm-Fundamentals/dp/1606438093

This is really no different than having somebody new ask "What is the best caliber to reload?" An impossible question to answer as it stands, because you have no idea what guns ther person has, what expertise they have with them, and what they want to shoot at. Beyond that, it also totally ignores the reality that your are going to HAVE to read an entire reloading manual BEFORE you can probably make an informed decision on this subject.

This board is not a community college, and it can never be made into one even if every member tried their hardest to make it that. This is a place where you can get opinions which may be very good, horribly bad (40 S&W cases can be used for... ), or indifferent. Answers can be provided to people which specific questions that fully answer the question: You want to duplicate a Norma factory 10mm load, use Blue Dot.

In other cases, the questions may not be easy to answer, and it may be either painfully apparent or not so obvious that the question being asked is really indicating a fundamental need for some formal education from a published book rather than 15 different opinions. THIS, in my opinion, is where the road to heyll (trying to avoid the profanity bot here...) can be paved with good intentions, because we generally all like to give the best advice we can and help people out. That's kind of why we're here, apart from making fun of Tootsie's sheep and cabana boy obsessions.

Bottom line, the point I am trying to make here is that sometimes giving out advice may not be in the best interests of the person asking for it, if it looks like it's going to take a whole book to actually answer the question properly.
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby justaguy on Fri May 07, 2010 2:14 pm

Pinnacle wrote: If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.

Unless of course just the site of the gun stops the threat.......Which probably happens a lot more than actually having to shoot it.
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby Norsesmithy on Fri May 07, 2010 3:13 pm

justaguy wrote:
Pinnacle wrote: If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.

Unless of course just the site of the gun stops the threat.......Which probably happens a lot more than actually having to shoot it.
It may, but if you are counting on it to, and it doesn't, you are in a world of ****.

Just like shock will probably take a guy out of a fight before cereberal hypoxia does, but probably and should aren't great things to count on.

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby justaguy on Fri May 07, 2010 4:03 pm

Norsesmithy wrote:
justaguy wrote:
Pinnacle wrote: If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.

Unless of course just the site of the gun stops the threat.......Which probably happens a lot more than actually having to shoot it.

It may, but if you are counting on it to, and it doesn't, you are in a world of ****.

I dont count on it I'm justa saying that the physical presence of a gun probably stops more BS than actually shooting it. I still carry a loaded gun.
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby VikesFan1 on Fri May 07, 2010 8:36 pm

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby tswitz2007 on Fri May 07, 2010 10:05 pm

Thanks all for the replies.

I live by Ahlmans gunshop in southern MN. (Morristwon MN) I plan to take the C & C class there, and try out most of the guns you recomended. I appreciate your knowledge
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby Pinnacle on Sun May 09, 2010 1:00 pm

justaguy wrote:
Pinnacle wrote: If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.

Unless of course just the site of the gun stops the threat.......Which probably happens a lot more than actually having to shoot it.


One should only hope that this is the outcome. This is normally the response that you will get from the majority of the scum out there - but - what are you going to do when you run into a hardened criminal that is just going to kill you and does not take to threats?
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby justaguy on Sun May 09, 2010 7:04 pm

Pinnacle wrote:
justaguy wrote:
Pinnacle wrote: If you cannot connect - you cannot stop a threat.

Unless of course just the site of the gun stops the threat.......Which probably happens a lot more than actually having to shoot it.


One should only hope that this is the outcome. This is normally the response that you will get from the majority of the scum out there - but - what are you going to do when you run into a hardened criminal that is just going to kill you and does not take to threats?

I'm going to impress them with my wit and charm and let them know I'm the 2009 Forum Member of The Year, with over 4800 post count on a local gun forum. Why what are you going to do?
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby Pinnacle on Sun May 09, 2010 7:26 pm

I plan on using you as a meatshield and say more than twice as much as you with significantly less than half of the words.
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby tswitz2007 on Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:08 pm

Thanks for all the feedback, I appreciate all the input.

I decided to go with the S & W 5903. I found it at J & S, great place! and am very satisfied for my first purchase... (more to come)

Thanks again

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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby justaguy on Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:31 pm

tswitz2007 wrote:Thanks for all the feedback, I appreciate all the input.

I decided to go with the S & W 5903. I found it at J & S, great place! and am very satisfied for my first purchase... (more to come)

Thanks again

Tyler

What did you pay for your class and do you think the price was fair for what you got?
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Re: Newly 21, whats a good caliber to conceal?

Postby 1911fan on Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:08 pm

Thats a good solid gun, mags for it are available at CDNN for a good price.
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