$75.00 / 2 hr class

[phorvick]

The law is simple as I wrote before, there are only a few main points, get them across, and thats it. really, its not hard.

Yup...I agree 100%. And, because I am one of the maligned McPermit class presenters (i.e., inexpensive) I often hear comments that (and I am paraphrasing) "well, you get what you pay for, and if the class is under $x it cannot be any good."

Frankly, I am sick of that attitude.

So, full permit class Tuesday, May 18th. Detroit Lakes area. Cost: 1 diet Pepsi and 500 targets. (wal-mart sells the targets in their office supply section...cleverly packaged in 500 count warppings.) Total cost: about $7.50. 1pm.

Oh, crap, at $7.50, it cannot possibly be any good.

[farmerj]

cheap skate....

How can you even THINK of doing it for less than a 6 pack....

Can't be any good.

Oh wait....you certified me....We teach the same class....

[plblark]

Phorvick, that's a smoking deal.

I've always described it as know what you're paying for vs what you're getting.

You're usually my example of price <> quality and getting an exceptional deal (inexpensive vs cheap). I know I'm not the only one that appreciates your efforts or your talent.

[VikesFan1]

Dang... have that class in the south metro in it won't take much effort to get you a full classroom.

[Erik_Pakieser]

Maybe I am misunderstanding the general thrust of this topic. It is my opinion that yes, of course, it is possible to present a class in 2+ hours. Given the right people attending, I can see that happening. I think the crux of the issue is not whether it is possible, but whether instructors would advertise and promote a class that is 2+hrs for all comers. That...I opine....is difficult if not impossible.

I agree we do not need to bore folks that already are knowledgable; we do not need to see everyone shoot X number of shots;...but, to suggest that a normal class can be just 2+ hours for all attendees ....well...it seems to be a hard task to accomplish well. However, in all honesty, and I have sat in on many many classes from a gaggle of instructors in Minnesota, I believe it is the opposite that is more problematic....and that is overkill on elementary basic concepts.

I have sat through many classes by good meaning people that take about an hour or two to literally read law related items. They might have spent an hour or more on legal issues, but certainly not quality time (which I define as giving people a decent checklist of the highpoints of the law; you are not going to "educate" much even in 2-3-4-5 hours, but you can alert and make folks aware that there is a lot more to carrying then buying a gun and a holster.) But unless I have sat through the class, I don't think it is fair of me to pontificate or be judgmental. Bottom line. The class needs to be long enough to cover what either you told the State you would cover, or what your certifying agency requires. If that is done, whether 2 hours or 12 hours, then they are doing what is required. If there are those that don't like that, then work to change the law; oh, I won't be part of that work group.

Strongly agreed!

[Mo_the_Mouse]

Price to me has never really been a consideration. People charge what they think the market can bear or where they are comfortable. Their choice. It's the time it takes to get through the material that I question. If you are re-certifying a group of instructors or permit holders, 2hrs, yeah I can see that. For a non-permit holder, well, I know I can't do it in 2hrs and know that I have done a good job. It's personal for me I guess.

phorvick I wish I was closer. I would take you up on that offer.