1911 why so special??????

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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby bensdad on Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:18 pm

You're in a pretty heavy crowd for this type of question. At least one Glock armorer has already chimed in. Heck, hammar was John Moses Browning's second grade teacher. We've all been playfully arguing about this for years :D . At the end of the day, get what you like and can afford. If you're gonna carry it, make sure it works.

To answer your question more directly (with my personal opinion), 1911 folks seem to be the type who like to understand a thing from top to bottom. They like to work on their own guns. They have special tools for "tuning" an extractor. I don't think Sig guys do that stuff to the same degree. It's like Harley guys USED to be. Yeah, that's it... the 1911 is the Harley of handguns.
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby Shipyard on Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:22 pm

FJ540 wrote:Keep in mind Shippy has extra holes in his head (that obviously let all the sense and reason out). :rotf:


those are speed holes. they make my head go FASTER. get with it old man. :catfight:

in all seriousness though - i don't own any 1911's anymore - they just don't point right for me. i like my plastics that hold double the number of projectiles. just my preference.

if you want to boil down the Glock vs. 1911 debate, once you get past the aesthetic arguments and eye poking it usually drills down to reliability.

from a reliability standpoint - glocks are f-ing awesome. beat em, burn em, leave em in the mud, freeze em, throw em off a building, drag them behind a truck, they go BANG. low number of parts and simple operation.

from a reliability standpoint, 1911's are f-ing awesome. from a design and engineering standpoint they are beautiful machines that make things happen time and time again with reliability and accuracy. they can be modified a billion differnt ways and adapted to a variety of uses. there are very few machines that have earned the reputation that a 1911 has based on it's last century of performance.

IN MY OPINION and from MY experience, the difference in performance comes down to how much effort you want to expend on your gun. if the glock design was a book it would be published in the "dummies" series. it's a gun that goes bang everytime that you can field strip, clean, PM and reassemble in less than 2 minutes. 1911's require more knowledge of your weapon inside and out. if it's not mil-spec, it's going to have to be kept cleaner than any old G17. i've never met one that you could drag behind your truck and let it rip (and before someone gets snarky, justa and i drag our guns behind my truck daily on our way to the beautiful people's club so yes, it matters :D )

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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby FJ540 on Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:29 pm

Shipyard wrote:
from a reliability standpoint - glocks are f-ing awesome. beat em, burn em, leave em in the mud, freeze em, throw em off a building, drag them behind a truck, they go BANG. low number of parts and simple operation.


Just don't shoot .40 cal out of one. :lol:

I'll gladly drag your glock through the mud - my 1911 is worth money. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby xd ED on Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:35 pm

Pat Cannon wrote:History, man! Check out Legends of the M1911 Pistol. The M1911 is the Chuck Norris of handguns. John Moses Browning used a 1911 to kill the dinosaurs.


That's a fascinating site; well worth some time spent reading it.
That said, you're wrong about the dinosaurs...
http://tinyurl.com/how-the-dinos-died
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby Pat Cannon on Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:56 pm

xd ED wrote:
Pat Cannon wrote:History, man! Check out Legends of the M1911 Pistol. The M1911 is the Chuck Norris of handguns. John Moses Browning used a 1911 to kill the dinosaurs.

That's a fascinating site; well worth some time spent reading it.
That said, you're wrong about the dinosaurs...
http://tinyurl.com/how-the-dinos-died

:) Or maybe this.
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby TH3180 on Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:07 pm

Wow I didn't know this was such a hot button issue. I'm not looking for what's better then what. Just looking for why 1911 have such a loyal following. Which now I am starting to understand.
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby bensdad on Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:10 pm

Pat Cannon wrote:
xd ED wrote:
Pat Cannon wrote:History, man! Check out Legends of the M1911 Pistol. The M1911 is the Chuck Norris of handguns. John Moses Browning used a 1911 to kill the dinosaurs.

That's a fascinating site; well worth some time spent reading it.
That said, you're wrong about the dinosaurs...
http://tinyurl.com/how-the-dinos-died

:) Or maybe this.


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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby TH3180 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:49 pm

Stradawhovious wrote:
TH3180 wrote:I have never shot one or even held one.



I think that if you were to remedy this, your question would answer itself. :D

There are oh so many folks here that would be glad to help with this... I'm one of them.


I just may take you up on that sometime. Hopefully sooner then later.
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby hammAR on Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:28 pm

TH3180 wrote:Just looking for why 1911 have such a loyal following. Which now I am starting to understand.


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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby 1911fan on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:46 pm

Just understand that 1911's are the Crack Cocaine of hand guns. N framed S&W's are the Meth, once you have one....you will never have pocket money and spare change ever again....
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby Stradawhovious on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:48 pm

1911fan wrote:Just understand that 1911's are the Crack Cocaine of hand guns. N framed S&W's are the Meth, once you have one....you will never have pocket money and spare change ever again....



Truer words have never been uttered. Unfortuately I am addicted to both. :D
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby 45Badger on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:05 pm

Shipyard wrote:
FJ540 wrote:Keep in mind Shippy has extra holes in his head (that obviously let all the sense and reason out). :rotf:


those are speed holes. they make my head go FASTER. get with it old man. :catfight:

in all seriousness though - i don't own any 1911's anymore - they just don't point right for me. i like my plastics that hold double the number of projectiles. just my preference.

if you want to boil down the Glock vs. 1911 debate, once you get past the aesthetic arguments and eye poking it usually drills down to reliability.

from a reliability standpoint - glocks are f-ing awesome. beat em, burn em, leave em in the mud, freeze em, throw em off a building, drag them behind a truck, they go BANG. low number of parts and simple operation.

from a reliability standpoint, 1911's are f-ing awesome. from a design and engineering standpoint they are beautiful machines that make things happen time and time again with reliability and accuracy. they can be modified a billion differnt ways and adapted to a variety of uses. there are very few machines that have earned the reputation that a 1911 has based on it's last century of performance.

IN MY OPINION and from MY experience, the difference in performance comes down to how much effort you want to expend on your gun. if the glock design was a book it would be published in the "dummies" series. it's a gun that goes bang everytime that you can field strip, clean, PM and reassemble in less than 2 minutes. 1911's require more knowledge of your weapon inside and out. if it's not mil-spec, it's going to have to be kept cleaner than any old G17. i've never met one that you could drag behind your truck and let it rip (and before someone gets snarky, justa and i drag our guns behind my truck daily on our way to the beautiful people's club so yes, it matters :D )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llM3SRu0 ... re=related

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Ask Mr. Vroom's chrono if it's better to be shot with a plastic pistol or a 1911 :twisted:
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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby hammAR on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:12 pm

1911fan wrote:Just understand that 1911's are the Crack Cocaine of hand guns.....


That's pure BS, while there may be some fugly people that own them, owning one does not make you fugly......

Now glocks on the other hand.......
here is a typical glock owner after only 3 years and 5 months.........

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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby rugersol on Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:10 pm

1911fan wrote:Just understand that 1911's are the Crack Cocaine of hand guns. N framed S&W's are the Meth, once you have one....you will never have pocket money and spare change ever again....

BUSTED! Image

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Re: 1911 why so special??????

Postby Snowgun on Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:35 pm

Though I enjoy and appreciate the modern engineering marvel that is the polymer gun ( H&K > Glock :D ), when you have a 43 Oz fist full of America in your hand and it feels like a 1964 Cadillac when it recoils, you will have a hard time creating that feeling with anything else.
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