What's up with DPMS?

[rugersol]

Here is the "chart"

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html

That chart's absolutely werthless!

Here's the real one! ...


And the winner is! ...



Christ! ... don't you guys know nothin'?!

[hammAR]

That's nice. Enjoy your spikes! I know I enjoy my DPMS.

IF that was directed to me, I do not own a Spikes, nor will I own a DPMS..........
I will not short quality in ANY weapon that I own,
I am not a pistolero, but then again maybe that is why I don't buy Hi-points or Jennings to shoot for handguns....

[Stradawhovious]

Tactical operators rarely favor revo's in 45acp... but maybe he's so tactical he's gone all the way around the spectrum. He's so tactical, that he's gone past the custom nighthawk 1911's and and back into revovler land..... I think we may have found new operator messiah...

Damn.... My cover has been blown!

TO THE BATCAVE!!!!

:tacticalexit:

[hammAR]

That chart's absolutely werthless!

And the winner is! ...

Christ! ... don't you guys know nothin'?!

First, Christ had nothing to do with it, so why invoke him into this.......

Second, you can't spell for ****.....werthless

Finally, you sure pick out f'ugly guns.............

[Stradawhovious]

IF that was directed to me,

Not directed at you Gunny, If it was, I would have properly addressed you. You have your reasons for owning what you do, and I have mine.

I just think that DPMS has their place in the firearms community and are priced accordingly. To blindly ridicule them as crap is silly. If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

Unless its a Glock or a Hi-point. Their craptastic reputation needs no support.

[rugersol]

That chart's absolutely werthless!

And the winner is! ...

Christ! ... don't you guys know nothin'?!

First, Christ had nothing to do with it, so why invoke him into this.......

Second, you can't spell for ****.....werthless

Finally, you sure pick out f'ugly guns.............

Yer jest cranky 'cause Colt ain't #1.

[Geezer43]

Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS, and many other companies are now owned by Freedom Group.

http://www.freedom-group.com/

I believe that the Remington AR style rifles are being produced by DPMS.
As for me -- I own a RRA and an AR "mix master" that I built using mainly DPMS parts, except for the BCG and the barrel.
The barrel is from Sabre Defence, and the BCG is from CMT.
They both shoot very well and neither have ever had a malfunction.
I don't go through a lot of ammo however, so durability has not been an issue.
There seem to be no real problems with DPMS quality to my knowledge, but I will admit that "fit & finish" are sometimes a bit lax.
Don't know who makes their barrels, but a DPMS representative at a gun show once told me they are "made locally".
All other questions were basically turned aside by that individual.

[hammAR]

Not directed at you Gunny, If it was, I would have properly addressed you. You have your reasons for owning what you do, and I have mine.

I just think that DPMS has their place in the firearms community and are priced accordingly. To blindly ridicule them as crap is silly. If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

Unless its a Glock or a Hi-point. Their craptastic reputation needs no support.

Fair enough, but remember that I do not blindly poo-poo anything, unless it is in jest.............

to address the issue, yes I have had DPMS parts and components fail, yes they replaced them, but they failed regardless of replacement policy - and some repeatedly.

I have had two; one factory and one built, that had quality issues. One in particular the upper cracked when using burst-mode after several thousand rounds. One barrel needed to be replaced, because the "chrome" lined barrel decided to become "um-chromed" after thousands of rounds. I can go on about DPMS rifles and components that I have fixed or replaced on rifles owned by others.............but I won't!

[hammAR]

Yer jest cranky 'cause Colt ain't #1.

Maybe, but I can assure you that I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Singer SP1 that I had............

Colt and FN are the only true mil spec manufacturers who are independently verified.

Lewis Machine & Tool and Bravo Machine Company build to mil spec but are not verified.

CMMG does not shoot a proof round through their barrels.

Bushmaster is close to spec.

Armalite, Stag Arms, CMT, Rock River Arms, and DPMS all build fine rifles but vary from mil spec in materials or chamber, etc. (Disclaimer, yes to be fair I include DPMS)

What does that mean to the average target shooter or hunter? Not much. All of the above manufacturers are safe bets.

[Stradawhovious]

Fair enough, but remember that I do not blindly poo-poo anything, unless it is in jest.............

Yep, which is why I did this.....

If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

It seems to me that just like everything else, the DPMS rifles are the right rifles for the right people.... just like the Ford Festiva is the right car for the right person. It is what it is, and if you fail to research the purchase, it's the buyer's own damn fault when it goes south. Worst thing that will happen to me with my DPMS rifle is that I might miss the opportunity on that 200 yard double while yote or prairie poddling due to a malfunction.

Not the end of the world.

[goalie]

Maybe, but I can assure you that I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Singer SP1 that I had............

That sums up this, and ANY thread of this nature. We are all a product of our life's experiences. Some of those experiences involve failure of a piece of equipment. Some of those experiences involve failure of the person using the equipment. In the end, most of us are going to listen to our own personal ghosts from the past before we listen to internet or gun-store chatter.

Just because I am too big of a spaz to trust myself with a safety on a handgun doesn't mean hammAR shouldn't carry matched 1911's cocked-and-locked in bilateral SOB holsters. Do/carry/buy what works for YOU, and if you practice enough to actually know what works for you, then you'll figure out what equipment is sub-par and what isn't along the way.

YMMV

[westberg]

When was the last time a civilian had to defend themselves from multiple attackers in the US with a AR of any brand and it failed on them?

If it's not a Colt, JP Enterprises or a Wilson Combat it's just for show and tell anyway.

[goalie]

When was the last time a civilian had to defend themselves from multiple attackers in the US with a AR of any brand and it failed on them?

If it's not a Colt, JP Enterprises or a Wilson Combat it's just for show and tell anyway.

It's never the LAST time that matters, it's the NEXT time. Didn't you get the mall-ninja newsletter Monday?!?!?! They have an article about that in hella-high-speed section......

[westberg]

When was the last time a civilian had to defend themselves from multiple attackers in the US with a AR of any brand and it failed on them?

If it's not a Colt, JP Enterprises or a Wilson Combat it's just for show and tell anyway.

It's never the LAST time that matters, it's the NEXT time. Didn't you get the mall-ninja newsletter Monday?!?!?! They have an article about that in hella-high-speed section......

I'm hoping my copy arrives today.

[Bessy]

Maybe, but I can assure you that I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Singer SP1 that I had............

That sums up this, and ANY thread of this nature. We are all a product of our life's experiences. Some of those experiences involve failure of a piece of equipment. Some of those experiences involve failure of the person using the equipment. In the end, most of us are going to listen to our own personal ghosts from the past before we listen to internet or gun-store chatter.

Just because I am too big of a spaz to trust myself with a safety on a handgun doesn't mean hammAR shouldn't carry matched 1911's cocked-and-locked in bilateral SOB holsters. Do/carry/buy what works for YOU, and if you practice enough to actually know what works for you, then you'll figure out what equipment is sub-par and what isn't along the way.

YMMV

Goalie this is the internet stop trying to be reasonable. I submit that every piece of equipment that you use is inferior to every piece of equipment I use, under any and all conditions, because my brand is much more high speed and lower in drag.
Now excuse me gentlemen, I need to go do pushups with my ak-47. I expect that by the time I get back you will all be dead due to, equipment failure, your lack of proficiency in tactical barrel rolls, or in strads case, no one was around to take the bacon away and he ate himself to death like some sort of moderator gold fish.