What's up with DPMS?

[Hmac]

IF that was directed to me,

Not directed at you Gunny, If it was, I would have properly addressed you. You have your reasons for owning what you do, and I have mine.

I just think that DPMS has their place in the firearms community and are priced accordingly. To blindly ridicule them as crap is silly. If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

Unless its a Glock or a Hi-point. Their craptastic reputation needs no support.

One of the first things I said in this thread was just that. As a range toy for a few hundred rounds a year, DPMS would be fine. I absolutely agree, they have a place in the firearms community. As does Star, Glock, Hi-Point. Yes. I put DPMS in that category based on their reputation and personally-observed FTF, FTE, BCG failure, out-of-spec chambers, out-of-spec mag wells. At least a few the nationally recognized trainers won't allow someone to take their courses with a DPMS rifle. The ones I know about for sure are Larry Vickers and Jeff Gonzales because it's unusual that that rifle will go 1500 rounds without a failure that diverts class time and effort. I know what Greg Sullivan thinks about DPMS, but I don't know if he excludes them from his carbine courses. Rumor has it Magpul Dynamics does. I don't know of any police or government agencies that use DPMS rifles.

Defend them all you want, buy their rifles if you want. This thread OP sought opinions on DPMS rifles. That's mine, based on reputation in the "community", personal observation, and anecdotes that I hear over and over and over. You may not agree. I have no problem with that. The quality and reliability of the weapons YOU buy don't affect me in the slightest.

[Seismic Sam]

Not sure if this opinion is really in the mainstream of the discussion, but I haven't found anything wrong with DPMS components at all. My point of reference is my somewhat infamous DPMS based Tromix 50AE Sledgehammer built by the gifted but fully gonzo gunsmith Tony Rumore. In addition, Tony did all the early builds for Marty Ter Weem's 458 SOCOM, which the DoD thinks is just dandy for blowing doors and infidels apart in sandy parts of the world. Needless to say, the 50AE and the 458 SOCOM go WAAYYY past the stress and strength levels of a little .223, and mine has held up just fine. If there is a justified complaint with DPMS guns, then, it seems to me it would be in the workmanship and QA rather than the quality of the materials that make up the gun.

[goalie]

I absolutely agree, they have a place in the firearms community. As does Star, Glock, Hi-Point. Yes. I put DPMS in that category based on their reputation and personally-observed FTF, FTE, BCG failure, out-of-spec chambers, out-of-spec mag wells.

That's funny.

You may not like the grip angle, and you may think they are soulless and generic, but acting like a Glock isn't a good defensive pistol platform and putting them in the same category as Hi-Point is a good way to ensure people don't take you seriously.

I know I won't after that statement.

[Bessy]

IF that was directed to me,

Not directed at you Gunny, If it was, I would have properly addressed you. You have your reasons for owning what you do, and I have mine.

I just think that DPMS has their place in the firearms community and are priced accordingly. To blindly ridicule them as crap is silly. If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

Unless its a Glock or a Hi-point. Their craptastic reputation needs no support.

One of the first things I said in this thread was just that. As a range toy for a few hundred rounds a year, DPMS would be fine. I absolutely agree, they have a place in the firearms community. As does Star, Glock, Hi-Point. Yes. I put DPMS in that category based on their reputation and personally-observed FTF, FTE, BCG failure, out-of-spec chambers, out-of-spec mag wells.

If you shoot long enough, you will see every single manufacturer of every single gun choke at one time or another.

You've personally observed an out of spec CHAMBER?.. that's amazing do you carry around a head space gauge with you where ever you go, or are just such an expert that you can eyeball it and know? /wrists.

Yeah, glock pistols are totally in the same category as hi-point man... totally. I Only rock h&k in my tactical thigh holster, weak side backwards.

[westberg]

Right now I would be more concerned buying used then new, just because of all of the home built Frankenstein guns out there. As already been mentioned a number of times is what your intended use will be.

Some people just want to own a black rifle and take it out once in while to impress family and friends. Needed level of reliability is pretty low.

Some like to go to the range or woods and shoot up their empty beers. Just need to run as long as there is beer cans.

Some want them for home protection so they do a little research on the local forums to see what BTDT guy's have to say. They end up buying what they can afford but put a $200.00 tactical light on it. Don't know reliability because light cost burnt up the ammo budget.

If your serious in knowing how reliable your firearm is whether rifle or handgun you need to run them so during breaks you can light your cigars off the barrels. Take a good high round count self defense course or do some competition. It's funny how the first thing you hear when a gun goes down in training or competition is that it never did that before............ That's because the gun was never ran hard before. This also will tell you about how well your other gear like slings, belts, holsters, lights, mags, boot's, hearing protection and anything else you have on your person will hold up. If your gun breaks in training don't get your undies in bundle, repair it and do it again until things quit breaking.

[Hmac]

Not directed at you Gunny, If it was, I would have properly addressed you. You have your reasons for owning what you do, and I have mine.

I just think that DPMS has their place in the firearms community and are priced accordingly. To blindly ridicule them as crap is silly. If you (also not directed at you Gunny....) want to give criticisms towards brand A or model X, give reasons, not just "'cause I said so". Blindly poo-pooing anything is counterproductive.

Unless its a Glock or a Hi-point. Their craptastic reputation needs no support.

One of the first things I said in this thread was just that. As a range toy for a few hundred rounds a year, DPMS would be fine. I absolutely agree, they have a place in the firearms community. As does Star, Glock, Hi-Point. Yes. I put DPMS in that category based on their reputation and personally-observed FTF, FTE, BCG failure, out-of-spec chambers, out-of-spec mag wells.

If you shoot long enough, you will see every single manufacturer of every single gun choke at one time or another.

You've personally observed an out of spec CHAMBER?.. that's amazing do you carry around a head space gauge with you where ever you go, or are just such an expert that you can eyeball it and know? /wrists.

Yeah, glock pistols are totally in the same category as hi-point man... totally. I Only rock h&k in my tactical thigh holster, weak side backwards.

You're a joke.

I was responding to Stradawoovious. He was the one that first impugned Glocks.

Yes, in fact I have personally seen TWO out of spec chambers on DPMS rifles as the reason for failure to extract or failure to battery. Indeed confirmed by a chamber reamer, application of which was all that was necessary to get them to extract or go into battery reliably. If you'd try to get your nose back into joint and do some research, you'd find out that's not uncommon.

[hammAR]

Westberg, Impressive..................

Dawn did you logon using Ron's ID......................

[hammAR]

...........doesn't mean hammAR shouldn't carry matched 1911's cocked-and-locked in bilateral SOB holsters.

Mostly correct, but NFW SOB, that is dangerous, I use dual pocket Smartcarry.......

Do/carry/buy what works for YOU, and if you practice enough to actually know what works for you, then you'll figure out what equipment is sub-par and what isn't along the way.

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[Seismic Sam]

Westberg has a good point. He, however, is a see-gar smoker and I can't stand see-gars!! If I ever make a point of testing my Tromix Sledgehammer that way, I'm gonna wrap bacon around the barrel!!! MMMMMMMMMMMM............
BACON!!!

And while the barrel on my Tromix looks like a bull barrel that might take a while to heat up all that metal...


It's actually a .920" diameter barrel with walls that are less than 1/4" thick, because the rest is all bore!! It wouldn't probably even take a full box of full power 50AE ammo to get the bacon cooking....

[David]

I have two Colts, one Bushmaster, a Rock River, and a lower by another manufacturer that I won't bother with since it's not a complete gun. All of these guns work superbly. The only one I have any serious rounds through is the Bushmaster though, including three 5-day courses. I only had one malfunction during all those courses, and it was my own fault for covering the ejection port with a tree. I wouldn't say that courses are an adequate substitute for military use, but like Ron said, they give you at least an idea of how well the gun will hold up. I'm on my third barrel now, so I've shot it a bit.

This has nothing to do with the debate here, but more important than manufacturer reputation is how well the gun has performed for you over time. My Colts have much nicer fit and finish than my Bushmaster, and my ACR, SCAR, and half a dozen more of my rifles are certainly chosen more often by 9 out of 10 Rainbow Six players, but I'd trust my Bushmaster AR over any other rifle in the world—not because Bushmaster or ARs in general are better than any other manufacturer or type of rifle, but because I've personally fired thousands of rounds with it. No one's opinion is worth that to me.

So if cost is no object, then get the rifle you want, shoot it a LOT, and then be prepared to sell it and try again, and repeat the process until you find the one with mojo in all the right places. Every manufacturer makes a bad rifle from time to time, but they also make great rifles a lot of the time, so you probably won't have to go through too many rifles until you find it.

[Stradawhovious]

I was responding to Stradawoovious. He was the one that first impugned Glocks.

Well to be fair, people have repudiated Glocks since long before I started shooting. I certainly wasn't the first, but my chest puffs with pride at the thought.

Bessy...... Put down the RedBull, and take a step back there cowboy....... There ya go. Get another 20 plate on either side of that bar and I will be over to spot you in a moment......... provided I don't asphyxiate myself with bacon first.

David, Thanks for logging in today. I doubt that anyone here can poke any holes in your logic.

Per usual.

[Bessy]

Bessy...... Put down the RedBull, and take a step back there cowboy....... There ya go. Get another 20 plate on either side of that bar and I will be over to spot you in a moment......... provided I don't asphyxiate myself with bacon first.

Dude seriously, we both know the bar is already to heavy for me.

[macphisto]

This thread has really opened my eyes. As soon as I get home after work I'm going to take my DPMS lower built myself using a DPMS LPK and a DPMS stock into the garage and beat it with a hammer. Then I'm going to back over it a few times with the car. Then I'm going to throw it off the High Bridge. I also have a Bushmaster upper that has come into contact with this lower and I'm going to destroy it too just in case it caught the AIDS from all that DPMS crap. Finally, I'm going to start a thread over at Arfcom to get some ideas for a totally sweet tactical BTDT HSLD zombie apocalypse build which, most importantly, will get me mad respect on internet message boards.

Thanks guys. You may have saved my life.

[hammAR]

Thanks guys. You may have saved my life.

Then all of the BS was well worth it, glad to see you back amongst the living....

[forcefed]

This thread has really opened my eyes. As soon as I get home after work I'm going to take my DPMS lower built myself using a DPMS LPK and a DPMS stock into the garage and beat it with a hammer. Then I'm going to back over it a few times with the car. Then I'm going to throw it off the High Bridge. I also have a Bushmaster upper that has come into contact with this lower and I'm going to destroy it too just in case it caught the AIDS from all that DPMS crap.

Would you like to sell it after that? I would be interested in buying it.