IDPA Rules, Explained Humorously

[tman]

Let's see....training-practice.... practice-training....
in a bad situation you will revert to your level of training-practice......
so IF you practice-train for a game with rules,
then you will revert to your level of training-practice in a real such situation

This is a very real danger.

You will fight how you train. If you train by game rules, you will fight by them as well.

[goalie]

very few of the situations in the games are survivable to begin with..

I am really getting sick of having to remind you that this is the internet. Does 8 feet tall and bullet-proof ring a bell????

[Keith]

Let's see....training-practice.... practice-training....
in a bad situation you will revert to your level of training-practice......
so IF you practice-train for a game with rules,
then you will revert to your level of training-practice in a real such situation

This is a very real danger.

You will fight how you train. If you train by game rules, you will fight by them as well.

True. But, like Westberg said, at the same time I know of a number of USPSA, IDPA, and 3-gun shooters that were involved in two way shooting matches and they are all still breathing. One claimed in a magazine article that his experiences in USPSA competition back home helped save his life in a firefight when he had to transition to his M9 pistol. If I recall the article correctly, he used ALL of his pistol mags and in the end killed 6 insurgents with the M9 by the time that fight was over.

[hammAR]

very few of the situations in the games are survivable to begin with..

I am really getting sick of having to remind you that this is the internet. Does 8 feet tall and bullet-proof ring a bell????

Yea I know, and I'm tired of listening to these whiny rule bound paper punchers telling me how what they do will help them survive in a real world "gone south" situation.......yes, there are exceptions, but they are not the rule...

It seem that IF they indeed have to DQ and expel so many shooters from their exclusive club that logic would dictate that maybe they need to look at a little different venue and offering on occasion for those that dont care about IDPA/USPSA Points, but want to "play" and practice safely, but in a more real world fashion.......
kind of a variation of a DADT scenario....

[westberg]

Out of respect for hammAR and goalie for their service and experience I'm done with this thread.

[rugersol]

It seem that IF they indeed have to DQ and expel so many shooters from their exclusive club that logic would dictate that maybe they need to look at a little different venue and offering on occasion for those that dont care about IDPA/USPSA Points, but want to "play" and practice safely, but in a more real world fashion.......
kind of a variation of a DADT scenario....

[hammAR]

[goalie]

Out of respect for hammAR and goalie for their service and experience I'm done with this thread.

You don't have to worry about my feelings. I just have VERY limited time to train. Today, my free time has been spent swimming, and later it will be biking. The small slice of the limited time I do have that I choose to spend on shooting is going to be spent in a way I find productive and enjoyable. I didn't find going to an IDPA match (after being told by numerous people things to the effect of "as long as you are safe, nobody is going to care how you shoot" etc....) and getting ripped on for shooting the gun dry before reloading either productive OR enjoyable.

Like I said, YMMV.


Oh, and I am pretty sure nobody here has said being fast, accurate, or both is a bad thing. I just choose not to spend my time at the range doing contrived manipulations of my firearm. People that have taken that to mean something other than what I said, such as not doing malfunction drills or the like, don't quite understand what I am saying. Not a big deal.

I am a gazillion times more likely to be alive because I can run like a SOB when scared than I am to be alive because I can shoot fast. And it probably goes up to two gazillion times because of the fact that I can run fast and FAR.....

[hammAR]

I am a gazillion times more likely to be alive because I can run like a SOB when scared than I am to be alive because I can shoot fast. And it probably goes up to two gazillion times because of the fact that I can run fast and FAR.....

Well I can't........

[goalie]

I am a gazillion times more likely to be alive because I can run like a SOB when scared than I am to be alive because I can shoot fast. And it probably goes up to two gazillion times because of the fact that I can run fast and FAR.....

Well I can't........

And that is understandable. That said, there are a LOT of people on this BB that are younger than me who would benefit 100x more from exercise than they would from range time if you look at quality of life.

I am guessing that, when my ability to flee fades away, I will be a much more dangerous person to anyone showing me ill-intent. That will be their problem, not mine.

[dcwn.45]

Goalie, where did you attend an IDPA match where you felt you were treated badly?
I've encountered a few "range nazi's" but the vast majority of people were very welcoming.
I think much ado about nothing is getting made of this reload issue,
in IDPA there are 3 types of reloads
-emergency or slidelock
-tactical [or at the gun]
-reload with retention
copunting of rounds is specifically discouraged and the dropping of a mag [even empty] is only permitted if the gun is at slidelock or if needed to clear a malfunction.
all reloads must be done behind cover, if you run dry in the open [so to speak] you must pull back behind cover to reload
in the rule book we are encouraged to design courses of fire so as to keep scenarios realistic [ask yourself if this could really happen]
Yes there are rules, and yes it is a game.
it attempts to be a more realistic game than some others
I guess whether it succeeds or not is a subjective matter.
I invite you to come to Fairibault some wed this summer and give it another try.
As I said, some come for the "game" and are very competitive, and some come for the "training" and want scenario based trigger time and practice shooting under pressure.
All are welcome

[Spike]

I don't get this thread at all. If you don't like IDPA/USPSA don't "play" them. I can't stand most team sports so I neither play them or watch them.

Regardless of some of the rules, there are basic skills that can be learned by shooting these games. Safely drawing your pistol, target transition, moving while shooting, reloading while under stress, etc. Another advantage is having a safety officer watching you while you perform these actions. At the ranges that I shoot at you aren't allowed to practice any of those things so I do learn skills that I value while gaming.

I also get to hang around with other gun people.

- Spike

[hammAR]

If you don't like IDPA/USPSA don't "play" them.

You are right.................





NOT!

[mmcnx2]

4 pages of posts about a cartoon, wow. That said I've met a few of the overly serious cases at shooting events. I've RO'ed when they want to second guess everything, question each call and basically are a pain. The sport would be better off with out them, and that is sad becuase some of them can actually shoot and could help others. But their ego is in the way. Some of those folks are on this board at times. However that vast majority of folks are very nice.

Two yeas ago a squad of gals took my daughter under their wing. In a few weeks they had her doing reloads on the move, course planning and just having alot of fun. Heck she never did get classified but she had a blast that summer and she definitly improved her shooting skills.

There is a huge difference between a penalty and a DQ. If you want to shoot and rack up penalties, I'll offer to tell you how you could have avoided them if you want, but if not yea, thats up to you. If you do something that is DQ worthy, well then there is really not an option when it comes to safey within the sport. I'll stop you, explain why in a very profesionally/polite manner and invite you to hang around and watch, but you gotta pack up the gun.

If that is not how you or anyone else is being treated at a shoot, squad with different folks, talk to the shoot organizer or basically tell the person to back off(some of these wind bags actually get real humble when told to stop being a jerk).

[goalie]

Goalie, where did you attend an IDPA match where you felt you were treated badly?.....................


..............I invite you to come to Fairibault some wed this summer and give it another try.
As I said, some come for the "game" and are very competitive, and some come for the "training" and want scenario based trigger time and practice shooting under pressure.
All are welcome

It was not Fairbault. Thanks for the invite.