Why is calling it CCW bad?

[Aceq2jot]

I think i figured out the confusion!!!!!

Its created by the nice people over at bills as they are billing the training as

Minnesota statutes offer the law-abiding citizen the opportunity to secure a permit to carry a concealed firearm.

And calling the class the MCCC


Brit you had better get on the blower to bills

[cobb]

I think i figured out the confusion!!!!!

Its created by the nice people over at bills as they are billing the training as

Minnesota statutes offer the law-abiding citizen the opportunity to secure a permit to carry a concealed firearm.

I have warned students of this and a training organization or instructor saying that they do Minnesota conceal carry courses. If they are wrong about a simple fact of the law, what other simple facts of the law are they wrong about? Not someone I would want to take training from and maybe get into serious trouble because of their confused knowledge of the Minnesota laws and carrying.

[Squib Joe]

Well over 90% of customers who call to ask about carrying a handgun in Minnesota refer to it as a concealed carry permit. When I try to to gently correct them into calling it a carry permit the general reaction is something like "No no no .. I don't want to learn how to be a cop or anything... I want to keep it concealed!"

These customers typically want to carry a concealed firearm using a Minnesota Permit to Carry a Pistol

The class teaches the difference between the two types of carry, and that the permit can be used for either.

Hard as it may be for many of us to believe, calling it a "carry class" or "permit to carry class" is very confusing to the average Minnesotan. Taking out any reference to concealment often makes them think that they have to carry openly.

[Thor]

And Squib Joe's post drives the point home. There are far too many citizens that inadvertently address our Permits to Carry as a CCW. A lot of this is driven through the media and just plain ignorance. Just as our Government and Media has referred to the war on terror as a "Jihad". It is NOT a legitimate Jihad. It is certain Islamic leaders bastardizing the Islamic religion to suit their purposes. If one calls something what they want, it eventually becomes the truth, at least in perception. I don't find calling it a CCW "offensive", just a lie. The general public has bought into this "lie", just as they have with the term, "assault weapons". So, yes, we want to call it a "permit to carry" instead of a CCW because we don't want this "lie" to continue to grow.

[cobb]

And Squib Joe's post drives the point home. There are far too many citizens that inadvertently address our Permits to Carry as a CCW. A lot of this is driven through the media and just plain ignorance. Just as our Government and Media has referred to the war on terror as a "Jihad". It is NOT a legitimate Jihad. It is certain Islamic leaders bastardizing the Islamic religion to suit their purposes. If one calls something what they want, it eventually becomes the truth, at least in perception. I don't find calling it a CCW "offensive", just a lie. The general public has bought into this "lie", just as they have with the term, "assault weapons". So, yes, we want to call it a "permit to carry" instead of a CCW because we don't want this "lie" to continue to grow.

+1

[Squib Joe]

A lot of this is driven through the media and just plain ignorance.

And the best way to end that ignorance is to get their butt in a seat and explain the difference. I could call a class "Training Required Under Minnesota State Statute 624.714" but I doubt anyone would show up

[hammAR]

Took you guys long enough to catch up.................
First Another CCW question = 5 pages
and now Why is calling it CCW bad = 7 pages

[cobb]

I could call a class "Training Required Under Minnesota State Statute 624.714" but I doubt anyone would show up

I call my class a Minnesota permit to carry class, as do several other instructors here and I don't think we loose students because we leave the word "conceal" out of the course title or description.

[Andrew Rothman]

The same goes for open carry. Maybe it’s right maybe not? But it is legal. That was my point a holes.

You'll want to not call names, please.

I pointed out what the law says. The law says nothing about open or concealed. Or about long or handgun and the card means nothing if I was wrong correct me. Is it smart to open carry? Is it smart to carry a long gun? I'm just sayin.

I open carry regularly. Not every day, but at least once a week.

I've never had a problem yet.

[justaguy]

Thank you for digging this up and making something that was a non issue to those involved, and making it your issue days later.

You answered a question that people don’t agree on. I was pointing out that to some what you call it means nothing just as everyone has different views for open carry, and technically you can carry a rifle, and the card means nothing. I don’t care if you open carry it is legal, I don’t care if you carry a rifle it is legal (kind of maybe), I don’t care if you have the card you don’t “need” the card, I don’t care if the address is right on the card, I don’t care what it’s called. Everyone can tell me why they don’t like it I don’t care. To whoever asked this question IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT BUT SOME PEOPLE CANT DEAL WITH OTHERS THINKING DIFFERNTLY. From now on I’m going to promote it as a concealed permit just to piss you people off. I’ll wait for you to check on this post in about a week and bring it back up. As you can see this post showed how we welcome new members and think it should be a sticky for future members.

[Wadero]

[I open carry regularly. Not every day, but at least once a week.

I've never had a problem yet.

Are you selective about where you decide to open carry though?

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

Me

Cub, Rainbow, Kowalski's, Target, Wal-Mart, renew my license National night out.


Mods! A question. Can ACE and me and Wally go after the wingnut............please pretty please P.........L........E.........A..........S..........E

[goalie]

What is the problem with calling it a CCW permit?
Before you guys tear me apart - I'm seriously asking. What specifically bothers you about the word concealed (assumingt hat's what part of "CCW" the issue is with)? It basically is a permit to carry a concealed weapon, as I have never (and I'm sure 99.99% of you haven't either) seen a person who carries openly.
Anyway, what's the difference? I really don't get it. I realize it offends some here, and will refrain from referring to it as such; but I really don't understand what exactly makes this a slanderous term.
Please educate me; and be gentle, I am not trying to irritate anyone, I really want to know.

Thanks,
dbd

Aaah, the original question. My opinion is that, unlike states that require your firearm to be concealed, and have penalties that can be applied for even an inadvertent flash of an otherwise legally carried weapon, Minnesota went through the effort to pass a law that actually allows citizens the freedom to carry without concealment if they choose, or, more importantly, if by some accident of the wind or weather, they DON'T choose, and their weapon is seen by another citizen anyhow.

Now, the media elements that were against Minnesotans being allowed to legally bear arms instantly attempted to play off of the word "concealed" and use it to strike fear into the hearts of bliss-ninny sheeple throughout the metro area. The average citizen likely thinks that we HAVE to carry our weapons concealed. We don't.

That alone is reason enough to call it what it is: a permit to carry. I like to leave the lying, obfuscation, and intentional muddying of the waters to, well, liars. I also wish that Joe Q Citizen realized that open carry is legal, so that if I ever were to flash my weapon, the likelihood of me being the subject of a hostile "man with a gun" call would be greatly reduced. Joining the anti-carry media and calling my permit to carry a CCW permit only works to ensure that more people who are uninformed have the wrong impression of what I am legally allowed to do.

Anyhow, I think the way a class of firearms had a name coined by the media, and that made-up name was subsequently used for years to misrepresent those firearms to the point of them being banned (based on cosmetic features) for 10 years is evidence of why we should try and ensure that the language we use is truthful, accurate, and easy to understand.

[Aceq2jot]

Me

Cub, Rainbow, Kowalski's, Target, Wal-Mart, renew my license National night out.

Same hear. And i also go to the liqour store and even the Mall sometimes
You know the mall Ninjas get bent out of shape
When i am walking my dog and when i take my toddler to the park. I have even open carried to my place of work when i was off duty

[plblark]

Thank you for digging this up and making something that was a non issue to those involved, and making it your issue days later.

Not everyone reads the same threads at the same time. I think Andrew had a valid point.

Thank you, sir, for coming into a discussion, adding unrelated side issues, getting bent out of shape, and generally sewing discord and angst. Generally, I've found the posters hereabouts to be a much more informative lot and even the ones I disagree with I can respect.