Now I need to pick one off the list.

[rugersol]

With the decocker I can shot in production class from my understanding. With the CZ75b there isn't a way to decock it with one in the pipe right?

If ya'd like to shoot in USPSA Production, with this particular pistol, I'd recommend ya get one with a decocker.

However, as I understand it (ya should always check the latest rulebook on such things), any DA/SA pistol sans decocker may be decocked at the "make ready" command by easing the hammer down whilst pulling the trigger back.

This's always struck me as a good way fer someone to F up a couple of their digits. To the point, that I almost DQ'd someone once, for it. However, we couldn't find anything in the rulebook, to afford a DQ. Again, this was several years ago ... so if somethin's changed, I'm usually the last to know.

I sure would hate to see ya standin' out on the range, timer havin' gone off, and yer studyin' the side of yer pistol like it's a Rubik's cube ... with all them confusing levers and buttons 'n what not. [/sarcasm]

[TH3180]

With the decocker I can shot in production class from my understanding. With the CZ75b there isn't a way to decock it with one in the pipe right?

If ya'd like to shoot in USPSA Production, with this particular pistol, I'd recommend ya get one with a decocker.

However, as I understand it (ya should always check the latest rulebook on such things), any DA/SA pistol sans decocker may be decocked at the "make ready" command by easing the hammer down whilst pulling the trigger back.

This's always struck me as a good way fer someone to F up a couple of their digits. To the point, that I almost DQ'd someone once, for it. However, we couldn't find anything in the rulebook, to afford a DQ. Again, this was several years ago ... so if somethin's changed, I'm usually the last to know.

I sure would hate to see ya standin' out on the range, timer havin' gone off, and yer studyin' the side of yer pistol like it's a Rubik's cube ... with all them confusing levers and buttons 'n what not. [/sarcasm]

I did some thinking about decocking a pistol by holding the hammer and pulling the trigger. Here is what I came up with. I will NEVER decock a pistol that way. I think this is the dumbest thing ever. As you said that is a perfect to F--k something up. If I ever think it is ok to decock a pistol that way. I will give away all my guns and put myself in a padded room. I'm sorry if there is people on here that do this, I will never go shooting with you. Who in there right mind would ever think that is ok. If it is ok in the USPSA rules it shouldn't be. Ahrens I agree with 100% on this.

[Snowgun]

With the decocker I can shot in production class from my understanding. With the CZ75b there isn't a way to decock it with one in the pipe right?

If ya'd like to shoot in USPSA Production, with this particular pistol, I'd recommend ya get one with a decocker.

However, as I understand it (ya should always check the latest rulebook on such things), any DA/SA pistol sans decocker may be decocked at the "make ready" command by easing the hammer down whilst pulling the trigger back.

This's always struck me as a good way fer someone to F up a couple of their digits. To the point, that I almost DQ'd someone once, for it. However, we couldn't find anything in the rulebook, to afford a DQ. Again, this was several years ago ... so if somethin's changed, I'm usually the last to know.

I sure would hate to see ya standin' out on the range, timer havin' gone off, and yer studyin' the side of yer pistol like it's a Rubik's cube ... with all them confusing levers and buttons 'n what not. [/sarcasm]

I did some thinking about decocking a pistol by holding the hammer and pulling the trigger. Here is what I came up with. I will NEVER decock a pistol that way. I think this is the dumbest thing ever. As you said that is a perfect to F--k something up. If I ever think it is ok to decock a pistol that way. I will give away all my guns and put myself in a padded room. I'm sorry if there is people on here that do this, I will never go shooting with you. Who in there right mind would ever think that is ok. If it is ok in the USPSA rules it shouldn't be. Ahrens I agree with 100% on this.

I will only do this using my weak hand to pinch the hell out of the trigger and let it down slow. It still freaks me out a little, and I only do it on the rare time I want to condition 2 carry my 1911 (this is for a particular reason with a particular holster during deer season, so save the lectures). Otherwise I thoroughly enjoy my decocker on my P30.

[rugersol]

I think this is the dumbest thing ever.

Maybe I should clarify ... a USPSA match is no place for someone to introduce YET ANOTHER THING that could go wrong.

However, I believe if someone owns a DA/SA pistol, at least with an empty pistol, they SHOULD practice decocking it, by using the trigger and easing the hammer down ... EVEN if it has a decocking lever.

A loaded pistol with a 1/8in 2# trigger pull, that yer not ready to fire at something, is not nearly as good as a 3/4in 5# pull ('er longer/heavier, anyhow).

If yer gonna own such a pistol, ya should be prepared for a situation where ya may need to decock the thing, and the lever may not otherwise work, as advertised. Ya need to take responsibility to render the thing "safe" ('er "safer", anyhow).

At the very least, as someone who's likely to be on a range, possibly with others, who may have jest bought THEIR first pistol, which may not have such a lever, it's a good skill to have.

That said, ya definitely wanna be EXTRA careful, when decocking a pistol, in this manner. Lots of folks don't seem to realize, that slide comes flyin' back at a purdy good clip ... 'bout 1/5 times at the range, I'll advise a total stranger as to moving their weak-hand from atop their strong-hand web, to overlapping their knuckles (jest did it again at Burnsville 2wk ago).

[Cuda66]

With the decocker I can shot in production class from my understanding. With the CZ75b there isn't a way to decock it with one in the pipe right?

If ya'd like to shoot in USPSA Production, with this particular pistol, I'd recommend ya get one with a decocker.

However, as I understand it (ya should always check the latest rulebook on such things), any DA/SA pistol sans decocker may be decocked at the "make ready" command by easing the hammer down whilst pulling the trigger back.

This's always struck me as a good way fer someone to F up a couple of their digits. To the point, that I almost DQ'd someone once, for it. However, we couldn't find anything in the rulebook, to afford a DQ. Again, this was several years ago ... so if somethin's changed, I'm usually the last to know.

I sure would hate to see ya standin' out on the range, timer havin' gone off, and yer studyin' the side of yer pistol like it's a Rubik's cube ... with all them confusing levers and buttons 'n what not. [/sarcasm]

I did some thinking about decocking a pistol by holding the hammer and pulling the trigger. Here is what I came up with. I will NEVER decock a pistol that way. I think this is the dumbest thing ever. As you said that is a perfect to F--k something up. If I ever think it is ok to decock a pistol that way. I will give away all my guns and put myself in a padded room. I'm sorry if there is people on here that do this, I will never go shooting with you. Who in there right mind would ever think that is ok. If it is ok in the USPSA rules it shouldn't be. Ahrens I agree with 100% on this.

And if you happen to own a DA/SA pistol that doesn't have a decocker? They do exist, you know.

[Snowgun]

'bout 1/5 times at the range, I'll advise a total stranger as to moving their weak-hand from atop their strong-hand web, to overlapping their knuckles (jest did it again at Burnsville 2wk ago).

Normally I don't offer advice at the range, as I assume people want me to mind my own business, but I will comment to them on this. I have to do it almost every other time at the range (especially bills). They should put up a damn sign or something.

[TH3180]

And if you happen to own a DA/SA pistol that doesn't have a decocker? They do exist, you know.

I know they exist, that's what we have been talking about. If I was ever to get one I would not shoot in any kind of a match were I would have to decock it. I know the Thursday night deals you don't have to decock the gun but it moves you to limited. Also I would only have one in the pipe if I was going to shoot it right away. I just don't like the idea of holding on to the hammer so the gun doesn't discharge. It will only takes one slip of a finger to have things get really bad really fast. I like all my fingers.

[brado]

If you shoot at BVP on Thursday nights you are shooting with people that lower the hammer this way me being one of them.

[TH3180]

If you shoot at BVP on Thursday nights you are shooting with people that lower the hammer this way me being one of them.

Intresting. I will have to pay better attention when the shooter is making ready. I just don't think it is something I can do. Maybe 20 years from now when I have 21 years of shooting under my belt, I may feel different. Right now no way man I'm not doing it.

[MrVvrroomm]

And if you happen to own a DA/SA pistol that doesn't have a decocker? They do exist, you know.

As soon as I say there's no such configuration someone will come up with one, but....A DA/SA pistol will either have a manual safety or a decocker. Some are even convertible.

[JoeH]

This gun is becoming more popular in USPSA Production. Several master-level Minnesota shooters are using it and all decock manually for each COF.

[Norsesmithy]

I am surprised at the fear illustrated in this thread RE manually decocking a pistol. I've always done this with my Tanfoglio Witness (when loaded and not) and when lowering the hammer on my unloaded 1911. I've never had any issue, or even been worried I'd have an issue.

If you are super antzy, place your off hand such that if you do slip and let the hammer fall, it will hit your flesh instead of the firing pin.

And while it would suck to get a major case of slide bite screwing this procedure up, it's not like you're sticking your fingers in a running wood chipper to clear a jam or anything dramatic like that.

[JJ]

IMO, if someone is incapable of manually decocking a pistol, they have no buisness owning or operating any pistol. Its not rocket science. Even better most modern pistols have a firing pin block (the B in CZ75B). IF you release the hammer, and let go of the trigger, as you are lowering the hammer, the firing pin block will not allow the firing pin to travel forward to strike the primer.

A firning pin block moves into the path of the firing pin. If the trigger is not pulled the primer cannot be struck. Easy enough.

Side note, if you can't lower a firing pin, I would advise you never purchase a revolver with external hammer, a pistol with an exposed hammer, or a lever action rifle. Lowering the hammer is a skilled aspect of gun safety. If done correctly it is 100% safe. I have never accidentally let the hammer fall. If this is all too much to handle go buy a Block.

[Snowgun]

There are two types of people, those who have had a ND and those who will have one.

Being weary of manipulations that have a higher possibility of issues is not incompetence. I imagine that at one point spinning your gun around your finger was touted as expert gun handling. You won't catch me doing that.

[JJ]

There are two types of people, those who have had a ND and those who will have one.

I truly believe this is one of the stupidest statements EVER made. This statement is in line with the anti's telling us that we are all going to be killed with our own weapons in a self defense situation

This same line of thinking also leads me to believe that we should all scrap our lead projectiles for rubber ones.