Range Safety Video

[onebohemian]

Would like to see you add a couple times during the video that range officers shall remove any shooters from the range that are not following the rules, and that shooters are encouraged to report to employees any violations that lead to unsafe conditions. In other words, state the repercussions for not following the rules in the hopes of creating a deterent, and embrace the good customers that desire a safe range environment.

[JustinPo]

Overall very nice and most issues have already been addressed but I'd like to point out a conflict in the rules, how am I supposed to watch guns/not leave them unattended when they are directly behind me in their cases as per you rules? People walk behind you all the time when shooting am I supposed to stop every time and check that all my other guns are still back there?

[old guy]

What is the reason for the velocity limit?

John

[Squib Joe]

Overall very nice and most issues have already been addressed but I'd like to point out a conflict in the rules, how am I supposed to watch guns/not leave them unattended when they are directly behind me in their cases as per you rules? People walk behind you all the time when shooting am I supposed to stop every time and check that all my other guns are still back there?

Mainly we're concerned with folks leaving their guns to go outside and smoke or answer a phone call.

[Squib Joe]

What is the reason for the velocity limit?

John

Certain high velocity rounds, 22-250 in particular, will zip right through the pile and damage the armored backplate.

[mnmike59]

Good Video! Any reason you can't ad someone talking through the rules as this plays?
Then the obnoxiousHead banger music can be turned down a little.

Also, I really liked the Bozo the Clown target! And you can't use them?

[old guy]

I don't think people understand what it takes to penetrate, I have several heavy bullet calibers at much less speed that will make the .22-250 look like surface blowup.

John

[ScatterGun4015]

You forgot to mention that if you pick up your own brass, you will get yelled at

[xd ED]

You forgot to mention that if you pick up your own brass, you will get yelled at

This^
Most of the video was good( I'm not sure I wan't someone fondling my guns, but I understand why he might want to check everyone else's).
I don't see an issue with one uncased gun at a time- that's all I can shoot at once. I use gun rugs, and keep the cased guns in sight, next to me on the ledge, along with the ammo for whatever I'm shooting at the moment.
[OT Rant:But when the RO has nothing better to do then sweep up behind you as you shoot, that makes the range look bad.]
Loose the music, caption the rules; ENFORCE the rules, and leave my brass alone.

[Squib Joe]

leave my brass alone

You're always free to pick up your brass at Bill's.. we've established this numerous times yet the rumor remains

[Squib Joe]

( I'm not sure I wan't someone fondling my guns, but I understand why he might want to check everyone else's)

In almost all cases, firearms aren't even touched. The main thing they are looking for is an obviously unsafe firearm (a 1911 missing a link pin, a revolver with a bulged barrel, etc) or a gun that doesn't match the caliber of the ammo presented (a guy with a PPK and a bunch of 9mm ammo - "but it says 9mm kurz right on the gun!" ), etc

Unlikely to happen? No, I've seen the range guys catch these things more than once.

It may seem unnecessary to some, but if it saves just one guy a year from getting hurt I would consider that worthwhile.

[macphisto]

That music totally shredds! Where can I download it in order to put it on my iPod?

[xd ED]

leave my brass alone

You're always free to pick up your brass at Bill's.. we've established this numerous times yet the rumor remains

With all due respect, I have been shooting while an employee behind me swept up my brass as it hit the floor.

On my most recent trip to Bill's North, within the past month, my lane was so cluttered with brass, before I started shooting, I grabbed a broom and sweep, my lane, and the area between the lane and the back bench, as a safety precaution against slipping.
Almost immediately, an employee told me, in a very authoritarian tone, I couldn't keep that brass. As I had pushed some of it down range, and the rest into a corner, under the bench, near the trash can, it seemed pretty obvious that wasn't my intention.
As I proceeded to shoot, the same employee- after finishing sweeping up some other lanes, returned to the area behind me, and when my brass hit the floor, quite literally one and two rounds at a time, made a point of sweeping it down range, where I could not retrieve it. I had stopped, after the first mag to pick up my brass, and would liked to have recovered more, had it not ended up being swept ahead of the safety line. I found it a bit odd that keeping the floor clean suddenly became an important issue, as it wasn't a concern before I started shooting, and there was no one else within 2 lanes of me.
While the value of the brass might not be a deal breaker, annoying behavior can be.

Allowing shooters to retrieve their brass is a reasonable thing to do, but it wasn't a rumor on the end of that broom.

No doubt there are valid reasons for not allowing brass scrounging: safety being #1, as well as interference with other shooters. And while there is revenue gained for the range from the recovery of brass, there is also revenue lost due to incidents as described above.

[xd ED]

( I'm not sure I wan't someone fondling my guns, but I understand why he might want to check everyone else's)

In almost all cases, firearms aren't even touched. The main thing they are looking for is an obviously unsafe firearm (a 1911 missing a link pin, a revolver with a bulged barrel, etc) or a gun that doesn't match the caliber of the ammo presented (a guy with a PPK and a bunch of 9mm ammo - "but it says 9mm kurz right on the gun!" ), etc

Unlikely to happen? No, I've seen the range guys catch these things more than once.

It may seem unnecessary to some, but if it saves just one guy a year from getting hurt I would consider that worthwhile.

Apparently there was some undetected humor and sarcasm in that line... ( I'm OK, check everyone else)

Is the checking of guns a new procedure? I've sometimes been asked what I'll be shooting, but no one has asked to visually check them.
Given the close proximity to other shooters, I have no issues with that, or the one uncased gun rule.

[ScatterGun4015]

I have had issues with brass every time i shot there. At first i didn't care about my brass because I wasn't reloading. i would just sweep it up (while being stared at by the people behind the glass) and put in the barrels. when I started reloading, i would try to get as much of my brass as possible to keep. I had one face-to-face argument with one on the range officers where he got right in my face and said as soon as the brass hits the floor, it belongs to bills. I politely told him that I paied for the bullets i shot (including the brass it came from) and the brass ejected from my gun. Therefore it is my brass! I packaged up eventhough I wasn't done shooting and left. That was two years ago and I refuse to give my business to bills again because of the rude and over-powered feeling I got from the staff. My brother-in-law used to shoot at bills north a lot and had a simular issue picking up is brass for me. He has since not gone back. Bills is a great range with all the fixings', but with customer service like that, I am suprised you are sill as busy as yu are. If your feelings are that we "can" pick up our own brass, its not coming across as that. I would much rather shoot in below zero weather at OGC than deal with poor customer sevice