So you wanna be an action pistol champion

[farmerj]

so become a grand master and start a school....

Let us know how the marketing goes...

[timwarner]

for a smart guy, you sure seem clueless.

Stoeger's class has done a lot for a few people I know.Then practice how they tell you.

[Snowgun]

Wow, Check this out!

http://jones.pistol-training.com/archives/date/2010/08

Scroll down to the bottom to read the first post and the history. Here is your marketing Farmer! This guy convinced Todd G to give him 52,000 rounds and use of a blog on Pistol Training .com to practice hardcore for a year, using all the techniques and skill that people at Pistol Training .com and other trainers he has worked with have taught him.

I totally want to do this. Anyone want to bum me 52K rounds? ($10,400 dollars of 9mm at walmart prices)

[Snowgun]

for a smart guy, you sure seem clueless.

Stoeger's class has done a lot for a few people I know.Then practice how they tell you.

See Tim, this is what i'm talking about, This guy has the combined knowledge and resources of many championship shooters and their techniques to focus and guide his training. I'm sure Ben's class is great, but there is no way it would cover all the things one would need to practice and master. (plus Ben has better stuff to do than teach multiple classes with different material in each).

You are thinking too small, I'm talking training BIG TIME. Check out the previous link and the archives, this is the real deal!

[farmerj]

Wow, Check this out!

http://jones.pistol-training.com/archives/date/2010/08

Scroll down to the bottom to read the first post and the history. Here is your marketing Farmer! This guy convinced Todd G to give him 52,000 rounds and use of a blog on Pistol Training .com to practice hardcore for a year, using all the techniques and skill that people at Pistol Training .com and other trainers he has worked with have taught him.

I totally want to do this. Anyone want to bum me 52K rounds? ($10,400 dollars of 9mm at walmart prices)

There ya go.....Inspiration.

Can ya handle 1000 rounds per week?

Did ya notice he kind of ended at Day 175? Back in Feb.

[Pitel]

So what I'm hearing is that the only available option is copious amounts of self directed practice and match participation.

This just confuses me as it isn't true for most other sports. Maybe this is a need that should be addressed...

Doing a quick and dirty web search, it seems as if the majority of training is related to self defense. There are a couple classes that are competition focused that are given by people such as Rob Leaham, but these are scarce and one off type of things.

The best I could find is a lot of videos, and the website http://pistol-training.com/

Seems like there should be a "front sight" or "thunder ranch" for competition...., or some sort of "golf pro" type of person who you can contract out for training on a weekly basis.

There are people you can hire to help you in your quest. USSa also has some basic classes BUT, if you want to win, you will need one on one training, just like any other sport. You can easily spend $100k a year "training" for what your goal is.

[farmerj]

In 2005/06, I went hot and heavy that year in some training I did. I bought 6000 rounds of ammo to practice with in one fell swoop. Gander Mountain in Fargo loved me. I cleaned out their entire stock. I asked the manager for a 10% off case lot and he said sure. The check out girl asked me what this was all about and I mentioned I was in the guard. Another 15% off there. I scored big time. I reloaded those 6000 round plus a lot of range brass I got from folks like twice. I shot 14000 rounds that summer going over my books. Add in another 40-50K for dry firing. My beretta 92FS handled it very well. I went 4500 rounds once just to see what it would take to make the gun fail. Just because I could so I would KNOW what it took. No cleaning, no lubing. Just firing the gun and bring it home.

It didn't start there though. For every round I actually fired in training courses, I fired 10 outside of class in practice. For every round I fired in practice, I dry fired 100. I took two classes that summer that really burned up ammo. 1000 rounds for one, 600 in the other.

My defensive handgun instructor course we took had 15 courses of fire for it we did. Including the original US Air marshal test. It was also the first time I was trained under a timer. It's an eye opener. I use the PACT II.

Video tape yourself and compare it to some of the other videos on youtube. Heck, compare it to others here.

But it takes dedication and devotion.

[Snowgun]

There are people you can hire to help you in your quest. USSa also has some basic classes BUT, if you want to win, you will need one on one training, just like any other sport. You can easily spend $100k a year "training" for what your goal is.

This is what I thought. Do you have any leads as to who or where one would look to find one on one training? (and not just a one time class, but multiple time, higher level stuff..)

[timwarner]

for a smart guy, you sure seem clueless.

Stoeger's class has done a lot for a few people I know.Then practice how they tell you.

See Tim, this is what i'm talking about, This guy has the combined knowledge and resources of many championship shooters and their techniques to focus and guide his training. I'm sure Ben's class is great, but there is no way it would cover all the things one would need to practice and master. (plus Ben has better stuff to do than teach multiple classes with different material in each).

You are thinking too small, I'm talking training BIG TIME. Check out the previous link and the archives, this is the real deal!

I'm not saying Ben is God. I was using his class as an example.

You're too all over the place. You need to take a couple classes from good shooters, maybe arrange some 1 on 1 time with someone, and practice.

[Pitel]

Sure, what is your budget?

[Snowgun]

In 2005/06, I went hot and heavy that year in some training I did. I bought 6000 rounds of ammo to practice with in one fell swoop. Gander Mountain in Fargo loved me. I cleaned out their entire stock. I asked the manager for a 10% off case lot and he said sure. The check out girl asked me what this was all about and I mentioned I was in the guard. Another 15% off there. I scored big time. I reloaded those 6000 round plus a lot of range brass I got from folks like twice. I shot 14000 rounds that summer going over my books. Add in another 40-50K for dry firing. My beretta 92FS handled it very well. I went 4500 rounds once just to see what it would take to make the gun fail. Just because I could so I would KNOW what it took. No cleaning, no lubing. Just firing the gun and bring it home.

It didn't start there though. For every round I actually fired in training courses, I fired 10 outside of class in practice. For every round I fired in practice, I dry fired 100. I took two classes that summer that really burned up ammo. 1000 rounds for one, 600 in the other.

My defensive handgun instructor course we took had 15 courses of fire for it we did. Including the original US Air marshal test. It was also the first time I was trained under a timer. It's an eye opener. I use the PACT II.

Video tape yourself and compare it to some of the other videos on youtube. Heck, compare it to others here.

But it takes dedication and devotion.

WOW, this is pretty awesome Farmer.

So here is the big question...How much did you improve? Do you have any quantifiable evidence in progress from before that summer to after? (like a classification or a improvement on a standardized test?)

If not, how much did you think you improved subjectively?

What would you have done different?

[Snowgun]

Sure, what is your budget?

Lets say hypothetically 10-15k, to be used during a year. That would be a good chunk of change but something that would be realistic to a lot of people (compared to 100k).

[gyrfalcon]

...My defensive handgun instructor course we took had 15 courses of fire for it we did. Including the original US Air marshal test. It was also the first time I was trained under a timer. It's an eye opener.

WOW, this is pretty awesome Farmer....If not, how much did you think you improved subjectively?
What would you have done different?

I hear depressurizing the cabin can be an eye opener...

[Pitel]

Well, you will go through that money in a very short time. A personal trainer will be $750-$1000 per day, plus air, hotel, food, car etc.... Unless you go there, and you will have the same type of cost. You will easily go through 6000-8000 rounds just for that session. Your hands will be bloody and sore for a week. You will need to master what has been taught, then go back down and advance your skill again.

If you are not willing to practice at least every other day, then don't waste your money.

What is your current skill level now. I mean have you shot a USPSA match? And if so, is it a league or weekend type match and what division do you shoot along with your average match percentage.

[Snowgun]

Well, you will go through that money in a very short time. A personal trainer will be $750-$1000 per day, plus air, hotel, food, car etc.... Unless you go there, and you will have the same type of cost. You will easily go through 6000-8000 rounds just for that session. Your hands will be bloody and sore for a week. You will need to master what has been taught, then go back down and advance your skill again.

If you are not willing to practice at least every other day, then don't waste your money.

Wow, that round count seems excessive, can one really retain what you would learn in a mega session like that? Thinking of golf as an example, it would seem better to do an hour or two with a trainer per week. Isn't there options to find trainers for about 100-150 per hour? Would I really need to fly Todd Jarrett in?

What is your current skill level now. I mean have you shot a USPSA match? And if so, is it a league or weekend type match and what division do you shoot along with your average match percentage.

This was more of a hypothetical discussion, but for the sake of using me as an example:
I've shot USPSA for about a year, but for some reason I'm not classified yet, so that won't help. I shoot IDPA a lot more, and I'm currently classified as a sharpshooter, though lately I've been doing pretty well, and could probably classify as expert. I'm probably in the same position as the guy in the pistol training link above, (i'm even an engineer ), but I'm 32 instead of middle 40's. I've only been shooting competition for a year and a half now, so I feel that my progress so far might be indicative that I could get better. (Compared to shooting competition for 10 years and being at a plateau).

So, using me as an example, what do you think the hypothetical possibilities are, and what would costs be involved? (Assuming that the dedication is there)