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[JoeH]

MOST IMPORTANTLY! I desperately need a cleaning kit for both the AR and .45. Is there someplace that sells a full "kit" with everything needed other than solvent that uses good parts? I'd want something that uses patches to clean and not just brushes. I'm not looking for the cheapest. Everytime I find myself trying to decide everything I need and sourcing it I get sidetracked on work or something and never buy any of it. My poor guns need cleaning badly!

I don't know didley about cleaning the AR. As far as the .45 goes and on most guns in general, I'm not a fan of the cleaning kit. They normally have cheap components and items that I'll never use.

I prefer to go ala carte, go with quality, and only get exactly what I need. For a pistol it's four things not including chemicals.

1) Cleaning rod 2) brass jag 3) bronze bore brush 4) patches

Check out http://www.brownells.com for a good selection and reasonable shipping cost.

[justaguy]

And some kind of brush either a tooth brush or actual gun cleaning brush. If you take the tooth brush route don’t use it for a tooth brush after you get gun oil on it. You would think with hot water it would rinse off the oil but you can still taste it.

With the AR add a chamber brush, and a longer rod. Maybe a T handle if you think you need it.

Check this thread for mags. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2325

Add this for ammo. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2445

[Tutmos]

Thanks for the input. I've been digging around and I think I might pick up a Lancaster Russian Red. The AK would be more of a toy and fun shooter although I've always heard they have a good reputation for being pretty rugged and dependable. I've heard some pretty creative descriptions comparing care and cleaning needed for AR's vs. AK's.


Hrmm a bit expensive but this looks like a lot of fun. Barrett M82A1 .50 caliber

[JDR]

And some kind of brush either a tooth brush or actual gun cleaning brush. If you take the tooth brush route don’t use it for a tooth brush after you get gun oil on it. You would think with hot water it would rinse off the oil but you can still taste it.

With the AR add a chamber brush, and a longer rod. Maybe a T handle if you think you need it.

Check this thread for mags. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2325

Add this for ammo. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2445

Sounds like advise from someone who tried it. Nothing like experience, I say.

[Fast351]

Don't use a sectioned rod for any rifle. It's entirely too easy to screw up a bore or crown by a sectioned rod. Use a one piece.

For an AR15 you'll also need a chamber brush. There really isn't any other good way to clean the lugs in the barrel. The rest you can do with a toothbrush and cleaning rods.

Oh. Do NOT use anything in the gas tube. 14,000 PSI and high temps. Self cleaning. Keep the pipe cleaners out of there.



For pistols, all you need is what Joe mentioned. Handle, brush, rod, and jag.

[Tutmos]

Okay I've got everything picked out but I'm confused about one issue, the cleaning rod. I've got jags, barrel brushes and patches picked out for .223, 9mm, .45 and .30 for my 3 guns and the AK I'm now ready to order but I'm a little confused on what I need for the cleaning rod. I can understand why it would be a problem if the rod was too large in diameter for the bore but if I get one small enough for the .223 shouldn't it be fine for use with all four? I don't want to buy multiples in the ball bearing twisting handle rods.

[jac714]

Okay I've got everything picked out but I'm confused about one issue, the cleaning rod. I've got jags, barrel brushes and patches picked out for .223, 9mm, .45 and .30 for my 3 guns and the AK I'm now ready to order but I'm a little confused on what I need for the cleaning rod. I can understand why it would be a problem if the rod was too large in diameter for the bore but if I get one small enough for the .223 shouldn't it be fine for use with all four? I don't want to buy multiples in the ball bearing twisting handle rods.

I would buy a long (rifle) rod and a short one for the pistols.

You could probably use the one piece rifle rod for the pistols but it would be a severe PITA.

The other thing to think about is chemicals, I am a fan of Hoppe's #9 and Breakfree, but like many other things gun related we will all have different likes. I guess for me it is part nostalgia, shooting will always involve the smell of Hoppe's. Reminds me of my grandfather.

[Fast351]

An AK doesn't sound like such a bad idea, what's a good brand?

Most (all) AKs are kit assembled using certain US parts so they meet the import restrictions on foreign "assault weapons". There are a lot of companies doing it. The cheapest are typically the Romanian WASR kits, and you can get carried away and spend over $1200 on an AK

I would suggest that you read the AK forums at AR15.com for a while and find out what people like. I would suggest that you start out with a cheapy ($400 or so) and figure out what it is you want out of the weapons system. The buy what you want and either sell the old one or keep it as a spare.

I certainly need magazines for 45 and bushmaster but I think my biggest purchase and most likely to be banned in the near future is a good starlight scope. At over $4k that's a bigger bullet to bite. I'm quite the newbie though so just my plans.

I would like to get opinions from the more advanced "users" on where to source some things and perhaps which to pick.

Where to buy bulk 500-1000 rds ammunition? .223 especially since it's so much more than .45 rounds. Georgia Arms or somewhere else?

For a smaller amount of ammo like that, I'd probably just go to Fleet Farm and buy AE223. 1000 rounds will cost you $400, but it's good ammo. Someone posted a link recently to an internet vendor selling M193 prvi partizan ammo for $330/case which is a good price.

EDIT: Link: http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|725

AR15 magazines, where and which? Are there better brands than others with respect to construction etc?

USGI spec ONLY!! Green follower, gray teflon coated magazine body. Should cost between 10-15 bucks apiece. Buy 20, this will be the first thing gun grabbers go after.


My personal shopping list for this year:

AK or two.
Lots of magazines for them.
Another AR. That will make 5 and I have all my "categories" covered. CQB iron sights, 0-200 1x optic. 100-300 4x optic. 200-600 precision setup. 1 Toy rifle with rail, buncha **** hanging off it.
Pile of .223. Stuff aint getting any cheaper you know!
Pile of 7.62x39 for the commie guns.
More magazines for my Glocks for when the standard cap ban returns.


My guess for legislative priority for the gun grabbers will be:
Standard cap mags.
Semi auto rifles.
Semi auto pistols.
Ammo.
All guns.

Prepare accordingly.

[justaguy]

[quote="Fast351]Another AR. That will make 5 and I have all my "categories" covered. CQB iron sights, 0-200 1x optic. 100-300 4x optic. 200-600 precision setup. 1 Toy rifle with rail, buncha **** hanging off it.[/quote]

So you prefer to slum it with your typical $500 plastic gun? I always thought slumming it was going with out or really cheap. I guess I was wrong.

[Tutmos]

I ended up ordering a Lancaster Russian Red, kind of mid range AK but very pretty with wood matching the trim in my house, my wife will appreciate that heh. If there was a milled internals version I would have gone that route but the only one with this appearance was a stamped one. The AK is more of a, hey Dad look at this one, but they still seem have a good rep with a few bad apples. Lancaster and Atlantic Firearms seemed to be very good about exhanging the ones that had a problems from postings on forums.

I went with Break Free CLP and the Break Free barrel foam for chemicals.

I went with the 1000rd prvi for .223 as they, at least from forum chatter, seem to be loaded pretty hot, which I'll need with a 14.5" barrel to keep speed up. Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

An AK doesn't sound like such a bad idea, what's a good brand?

Most (all) AKs are kit assembled using certain US parts so they meet the import restrictions on foreign "assault weapons". There are a lot of companies doing it. The cheapest are typically the Romanian WASR kits, and you can get carried away and spend over $1200 on an AK

I would suggest that you read the AK forums at AR15.com for a while and find out what people like. I would suggest that you start out with a cheapy ($400 or so) and figure out what it is you want out of the weapons system. The buy what you want and either sell the old one or keep it as a spare.

I certainly need magazines for 45 and bushmaster but I think my biggest purchase and most likely to be banned in the near future is a good starlight scope. At over $4k that's a bigger bullet to bite. I'm quite the newbie though so just my plans.

I would like to get opinions from the more advanced "users" on where to source some things and perhaps which to pick.

Where to buy bulk 500-1000 rds ammunition? .223 especially since it's so much more than .45 rounds. Georgia Arms or somewhere else?

For a smaller amount of ammo like that, I'd probably just go to Fleet Farm and buy AE223. 1000 rounds will cost you $400, but it's good ammo. Someone posted a link recently to an internet vendor selling M193 prvi partizan ammo for $330/case which is a good price.

EDIT: Link: http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|725

AR15 magazines, where and which? Are there better brands than others with respect to construction etc?

USGI spec ONLY!! Green follower, gray teflon coated magazine body. Should cost between 10-15 bucks apiece. Buy 20, this will be the first thing gun grabbers go after.


My personal shopping list for this year:

AK or two.
Lots of magazines for them.
Another AR. That will make 5 and I have all my "categories" covered. CQB iron sights, 0-200 1x optic. 100-300 4x optic. 200-600 precision setup. 1 Toy rifle with rail, buncha **** hanging off it.
Pile of .223. Stuff aint getting any cheaper you know!
Pile of 7.62x39 for the commie guns.
More magazines for my Glocks for when the standard cap ban returns.


My guess for legislative priority for the gun grabbers will be:
Standard cap mags.
Semi auto rifles.
Semi auto pistols.
Ammo.
All guns.

Prepare accordingly.

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

[quote=justaguy][quote=Fast351]Another AR. That will make 5 and I have all my "categories" covered. CQB iron sights, 0-200 1x optic. 100-300 4x optic. 200-600 precision setup. 1 Toy rifle with rail, buncha **** hanging off it.[/quote]

So you prefer to slum it with your typical $500 plastic gun? I always thought slumming it was going with out or really cheap. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

But the highest cost involved is his personal sherpa, needed to carry all his *******

[Fast351]

[quote=justaguy][quote=Fast351]Another AR. That will make 5 and I have all my "categories" covered. CQB iron sights, 0-200 1x optic. 100-300 4x optic. 200-600 precision setup. 1 Toy rifle with rail, buncha **** hanging off it.

So you prefer to slum it with your typical $500 plastic gun? I always thought slumming it was going with out or really cheap. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

But the highest cost involved is his personal sherpa, needed to carry all his ******* [/quote]

heheh, so true. Tell you the truth, if the Zombies ever come, I can tell you that I will be using the plastic handgun, and the basic iron sight AR. Less **** to break, and I have enough rounds through them to know they're reliable.

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

You could try throwing LP's at the zombies........a la Sean of the Dead smacking them with a cricket bat works too. save your ammo for the whineys whose government can't help them, so they come for your stash.

[Fast351]

You could try throwing LP's at the zombies........a la Sean of the Dead

No way man! That Michael Jackson Thriller album will be worth something someday! I still have the original poster that came in the other side of the cover!

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

You could try throwing LP's at the zombies........a la Sean of the Dead

No way man! That Michael Jackson Thriller album will be worth something someday! I still have the original poster that came in the other side of the cover!

Coming out of the pub singing "white lines"