Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby Erik_Pakieser on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:46 am

grousemaster wrote:
John S. wrote:Saw an episode of "Sons of Guns" a while back. Dude brought in a Luger that needed a firing pin.

It was taken from a dead German officer, who shot an American soldier after is 1911 jammed.

His buddy then killed the German officer with his REVOLVER!

Why take a chance, revolvers for me! ;)



Who carried revolvers in W2? This sounds like a wise tale from someone with an axe to grind against the legendary 19121


The Smith & Wesson model 10 and model 1917 were issued in large numbers during WW2.


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FJ540 wrote:Most have gone from glock to the SW99's and then to M&P's and XD's.

Please list any LE agencies by name that carry XD's.

<listening for crickets>


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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby John S. on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:49 am

Here's the episode!

Season 3 episode 1
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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby engnerdan on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:06 am

grousemaster wrote:You gotta love how all the Glock haters on here ignore the fact that nearly every other pistol manufacturer has copied them in some way (new XD-S went to a glock clone striker system)

I've never seen another pistol slide with a finish as tough as a Glocks. I take a screwdriver and hammer to my slide for my buddies to get a kick out of and we cannot scratch it. With my Xd's and Rugers.....not so much.

I guess the best question would be, what features do other striker fired polymer pistols have that Glocks lack (and needs)?


I would say the XD and XDM guns are not copies of the GLOCK. Yes they have a striker and striker safety (so do many other guns), the XD series uses a conventional sear, GLOCK does not. GLOCK has a trigger group or block XD's do not. The XD's use a dampening spring on the striker GLOCK does not. Now if you go to the M&P that thing is 50% XD, 50% GLOCK. The striker even looks like a GLOCK with the narrow long tang. The sear and trigger parts look like an XD.

The cruciform sear is unique to GLOCK as far as I know. This is the part from an engineering stand point I do not like. The problem is there is 3 motions happening to it all at the same time. It moves backwards toward the operator, it slides down as it moves along the disconnector, and it is rotating about its contact point on the striker as the trigger bar moves. It is an effective part BUT there are too many things going on at once with the flimsy part which is poorly constrained to do any one of the functions ideally.

Don't get me wrong, the GLOCK works and reliably. If I wanted a hammer to drive nails with, drag on the ground, run through the mud and still function then I would be looking for a GLOCK (maybe). But I want something more refined, cleaner, and that is why I choose a different make. Plus the XDM just feels better in my hand and it is what I am happy shooting. If you are not happy with a gun there is no point in trying to shoot it.
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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby grousemaster on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:26 am

It is an effective part BUT there are too many things going on at once with the flimsy part which is poorly constrained to do any one of the functions ideally.


Amazing that it still runs reliably....and does so with far fewer parts (including the striker retaining roll pin that break in XD's, and they ditched for the XD-S series). As an engineer, it must drive you nuts that you cannot detail strip/clean your XD without pounding out a roll pin and buying another.....I know that drives me nuts with my XD.

The finish is also still a bit of concern to me. They tried to copy the whole Glock "salt bathing" process after early XD proved to have a crap finish, but it just doesn't have the same effect. My XD has holster wear after a few months.....my Glock doesn't after a couple years. My XD scratches fairly easily, my Glock cannot be scratched even when I try to. The Glocks finish also has a teflon type feel to the finish, so less fouling sticks to it. My XD45 gets dirtier after 50 rounds than my G23 does with 200. I can't figure it out.....

I think that Glocks genius lies in the materials used, which is proven by the rest of the industry trying to follow in line.
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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby goett047 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:49 am

I take great pride in pointing out all of the scratches on my buddies xdm :-)
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Re: Book Review

Postby grousemaster on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:51 am

goett047 wrote:I take great pride in pointing out all of the scratches on my buddies xdm :-)


As do I when I hand my hunting buddies a hammer and screwdriver at the cabin and tell them they have 30 seconds to scratch my Glock's slide, or they're buying the beer :D
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Re: Book Review "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun,"

Postby justaguy on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:05 am

A lot of good information in this thread.
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