Slide Fire Stock For AR-15

[rockcreek]

Bullseye indoor range in North Branch is a Slide Fire dealer, and you can shoot them there. There is no trigger activator, your finger actually presses the trigger for each shot.

[Squib Joe]

There is no trigger activator, your finger actually presses the trigger for each shot.

It increases the rate of fire at which the trigger can be pulled - the law says nothing about whether or not you use your finger. I wish the best of luck to them and their customers. Personally I'm going to wait a few years before even thinking about getting one.

[qualcorp]

There is no trigger activator, your finger actually presses the trigger for each shot.

It increases the rate of fire at which the trigger can be pulled - the law says nothing about whether or not you use your finger. I wish the best of luck to them and their customers. Personally I'm going to wait a few years before even thinking about getting one.

Word.

[Holland&Holland]

So let me get this right....

The consensus is that it might be illegal, but a dealer in MN sells them and they have a letter from the ATF stating they are legal but no one wants to buy one in case the ATF reverses their decision or MN decides to crack down? Do I have that right?

FYI, some folks are fairly confident that our current ability to own firearms may be reduced in the future so to protect everyone here from potential prosecution, I hereby volunteer to take possesion of everyone's firearm collections (for a small storage fee of course). Please PM me to arrainge pick up and negotiate range fees er I mean storage fees.

[photogpat]

So let me get this right....

The consensus is that it might be illegal, but a dealer in MN sells them and they have a letter from the ATF stating they are legal but no one wants to buy one in case the ATF reverses their decision or MN decides to crack down? Do I have that right?

FYI, some folks are fairly confident that our current ability to own firearms may be reduced in the future so to protect everyone here from potential prosecution, I hereby volunteer to take possesion of everyone's firearm collections (for a small storage fee of course). Please PM me to arrainge pick up and negotiate range fees er I mean storage fees.

Hey! Test cases are for "other" people, right?

[Hammer99...]

I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the ATF only worried about federal law. And many of us think this is not legal in MN. So what does the ATF letter have to do with this?

[qualcorp]

Not the ATF but the deputy sheriff that rolls up on your land to see what all the commotion is about, automatic fire...maybe I'm paranoid but the thought of my riffle getting tossed in the truck of a cruiser creeps me out a bit. Thinking of storing my collection w Holland contingent upon 'range fees er I mean storage fees'

[Holland&Holland]

I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the ATF only worried about federal law. And many of us think this is not legal in MN. So what does the ATF letter have to do with this?

If you are worried, my offer stands. I can be there tonight to pick up your contraband.

[Hammer99...]

I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the ATF only worried about federal law. And many of us think this is not legal in MN. So what does the ATF letter have to do with this?

If you are worried, my offer stands. I can be there tonight to pick up your contraband.

I'm short on cash to pay the storage fee. Would you consider ammo in trade?

[Holland&Holland]

I'm not sure I understand. Isn't the ATF only worried about federal law. And many of us think this is not legal in MN. So what does the ATF letter have to do with this?

If you are worried, my offer stands. I can be there tonight to pick up your contraband.

I'm short on cash to pay the storage fee. Would you consider ammo in trade?

We can make that work

[Norsesmithy]

There is no trigger activator, your finger actually presses the trigger for each shot.

It increases the rate of fire at which the trigger can be pulled - the law says nothing about whether or not you use your finger. I wish the best of luck to them and their customers. Personally I'm going to wait a few years before even thinking about getting one.

I don't know that it actually increases the rate at which the trigger can be pulled, it just allows people who aren't practiced with their rifle's trigger to run it as fast as they could if they were trying.

I dunno what all the fuss is about. Not saying I'd buy one, but I think it's well established by the ATF letters and the way that the device actually functions that it's legal at this moment. And if the ATF pulls a 180 (as they have before) the items just tend to get confiscated, it's not like the rounded up all the Accellerator owners and put them all in the fed pen. Do you want to bet almost 400 bucks that they won't confiscate them? Your choice. But telling people that you think they are illegal, when they are not (at least not yet), reeks of alarmism to me.

Now, if you want to make sure that people asking about them are informed the sort of documented risk various "shoot faster" devices have represented WRT confiscation, that's probably a nice thing to do.

[bulletproof]

Do you want to bet almost 400 bucks that they won't confiscate them? Your choice. But telling people that you think they are illegal, when they are not (at least not yet), reeks of alarmism to me.

Minnesota statutes are fairly clear that this sort of device is illegal. Even though it has BATFE approval it's still illegal in Minnesota.

[Holland&Holland]

Do you want to bet almost 400 bucks that they won't confiscate them? Your choice. But telling people that you think they are illegal, when they are not (at least not yet), reeks of alarmism to me.

Minnesota statutes are fairly clear that this sort of device is illegal. Even though it has BATFE approval it's still illegal in Minnesota.

Clear? On this subject? Did we read the same statute? How long have you been practing law?

[Norsesmithy]

Minnesota statutes are fairly clear that this sort of device is illegal. Even though it has BATFE approval it's still illegal in Minnesota.

That is not a fact, that is an opinion. At least one retailer disagrees with that opinion enough to sell the product.

I don't agree that the previously quoted statute specifically bans the product because I don't believe that the product allows a person to pull the trigger faster than a skilled shooter could work the trigger without the device. The cyclic rate in the videos of this thing in action aren't any higher than the cyclic rates in a video of a well practiced bumpfirer, or videos of a skilled person working with trigger reset shooting techniques.

[rockcreek]

This really would need to be put in a courtroom, but as I see the design of the stock, it does not allow you to fire the weapon any faster than you could without it. You are simply bumpfiring the rifle in a more controlled manner.