IT can happen to anyone....

[Fast351]

Except nothing has changed except the fact that your are both using the same definitions, now.

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Jeff Coopers 4 rules of gun safety are universal.

If you guys want to continue to live with blinders on, go right ahead.

Mind over matter................there is no spoon...........................

[Fast351]

I cannot be responsible for your lack of reading comprehension.

Ahh it always boils down to personal insults at the end of the day.

Are you still pissed about the positive review of a Defensive Edge class I gave 6 months ago or something?

[Andrew Rothman]

I cannot be responsible for your lack of reading comprehension.

Ahh it always boils down to personal insults at the end of the day.

Are you still pissed about the positive review of a Defensive Edge class I gave 6 months ago or something?

No, apparently it boils down to a lack of reading comprehension. Shooting a target, even a second before you intend to, doesn't break any of the four rules.

And, no, I don't particularly remember stuff like that, and I don't hold grudges. I just think the "it's bound to happen" thinking is incredibly dangerous. I know not everyone agrees, and that's all right.

[justaguy]

Are you still pissed about the positive review of a Defensive Edge class I gave 6 months ago or something?

I heard Defensive Edge sucked.

[Aceq2jot]

Are you still pissed about the positive review of a Defensive Edge class I gave 6 months ago or something?

I heard Defensive Edge sucked.

Depends who you listen to, like Fast who actually took the course or some one who has not gone through the course and just wants to shoot it down. Some people like to think thye are the ultimate in wisdom of things they have never done

And where have you been hiding?? We missed having you around to pull the piss out of

[princewally]

Edit: Nevermind. Not worth the hassle.

[justaguy]

Crying because you "pull the piss out of me."

Who the hell is going around calling themselves the ultimate in wisdom? That is my title. You run into all sorts of sorry bastards on the net.

[princewally]

Except nothing has changed except the fact that your are both using the same definitions, now.

***********.

Jeff Coopers 4 rules of gun safety are universal.

If you guys want to continue to live with blinders on, go right ahead.

On a hot range, on the line, with your gun safely pointed at a backstop isn't what most people think of when they are discussing NDs, because it's NOT a safety issue.

[justaguy]

safety is everything.

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

Cooper is a god...little g

[Aceq2jot]

Crying because you "pull the piss out of me."

Who the hell is going around calling themselves the ultimate in wisdom? That is my title. You run into all sorts of sorry bastards on the net.

And you are Bigger than they are




Hieght wise that is

[David]

What about if I draw on a guy who is coming at me in a dark alley with malice in his heart, and I "accidentally" pull the trigger a moment before I make the decision to, and in that instant I might realize he's got a cell phone in his hand instead of the gun or knife I thought he had?

I agree that an ND is defined as ANY time the gun goes off when it wasn't expressly intended. I also agree that some NDs are worse than others. There's room for both opinions, and one doesn't negate the other.

Speaking of Cooper, once when I was taking a class at Gunsite, the rangemaster was demonstrating a clearing technique using orange practice ammo. He dropped the magazine with the fake ammo, but accidentally put a magazine of real ammo in. Racked the slide, and pulled the trigger. Bang. By any definition, it was an ND. Luckily, because he followed all the other safety rules, and had his gun pointed at the backstop, there was no harm. He even hit the steel he was aiming at, and only just barely looked surprised. He clearly didn't intend to do it, though, because neither he nor anyone in the class had put their ears on. So, yeah, ALWAYS follow the rules. Always. No matter who you are or what the situation is.

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

Never mix training sims with live ammo

[DeanC]

Cooper says you can break any one of the four rules as long as you have kept the other three. You break two and you are FUBAR.

[Ironbear]

My revolver fired at a precise time because I pulled the trigger, even though I did not intend it to fire at that exact instant. It is an unintended discharge, a negligent discharge, an accidental discharge, or what ever you want to call it.

Surprise break?