DNR Auction

[russellmn]

Awesome real-life examples my friend!

Since the first one is completely worthless, I'll offer my opinion on the second - the evidence present, assuming it is legal for the po-po to be peering through your window, suggests that you did indeed commit a crime. Are you guilty? That would be for the courts to decide.

What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

[justaguy]

The problem with this thread is the same as whats wrong with our country and society in general.
We are split down fundmental lines of ideology. Some people think that anything that the state does is ok. Simply because a bunch elected politicans and lobby groups get together and trample
your freedom. Thats well and just.

Then there are those of us who see the incrimental small step by step crushing of your individual freedom and the enslavment of us all to the state . Of course all the laws and regulation is good
for us . Even if what you could do yesterday is a felony today. Its still Good. After all the elected thugs voted it in to the big book of serfdom.

How many laws did you break today with no knowledge having done so?
state /federal/ county and city!
Layer after layer of laws and regulation. Hell lets not talk about the tax laws

Some laws yes! But what we have now is insanity.

You are confusing them.

[Dante]

The problem with this thread is the same as whats wrong with our country and society in general.
We are split down fundmental lines of ideology. Some people think that anything that the state does is ok. Simply because a bunch elected politicans and lobby groups get together and trample your freedom. Thats well and just.

Then there are those of us who see the incrimental small step by step crushing of your individual freedom and the enslavment of us all to the state . Of course all the laws and regulation is good for us . Even if what you could do yesterday is a felony today. Its still Good. After all the elected thugs voted it in to the big book of serfdom.

How many laws did you break today with no knowledge having done so?
state /federal/ county and city!
Layer after layer of laws and regulation. Hell lets not talk about the tax laws

Some laws yes! But what we have now is insanity.

I see your point but I disagree that there are just two sides to it - I myself fall in the middle somewhere. I certainly agree that it has gotten ridiculous in some cases and I do believe we end up with fewer and fewer freedoms every single day. I absolutely abhor the trend towards thought crimes and some of the federal practices of piling on so your only choice is to plea bargain to something you may or may not have been guilty of.

As far as game laws go, I believe in their intent to protect the resources but I also have not been on the wrong end of an overzealous Game Warden or prosecution. Local cops, whole diferent story.

[Dante]

What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

[Heffay]

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

Anecdote's ain't evidence.

[Pezhead]

[Dante]

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

Anecdote's ain't evidence.

There have been a few recent and reputable research studies that link use of marijuana to early onset dementia and/or alzheimers disease.

I can only assume that this can't be a good thing for anyone.

[photogpat]

Firearms list is posted.

http://www.hillerauction.com/firearms.html

[ForeverTwoWheels]

Awesome real-life examples my friend!

Since the first one is completely worthless, I'll offer my opinion on the second - the evidence present, assuming it is legal for the po-po to be peering through your window, suggests that you did indeed commit a crime. Are you guilty? That would be for the courts to decide.

What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

THANK YOU. I assumed educated adults could make this distinction without needing it to be spoon fed.

[ForeverTwoWheels]

What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

So you dont smoke tobacco or drink alcohol and would like to see those "Prohibited" as well? How did that work out last time? Black markets, gangs selling them on the streets leading to dangerous products, no accountability to manufacturers, higher prices, violence between gangs for control over sales?

Or is that the war on drugs? Wait, 1930's, today, they seem so similar I get them mixed up.

[Dante]

What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

So you dont smoke tobacco or drink alcohol and would like to see those "Prohibited" as well? How did that work out last time? Black markets, gangs selling them on the streets leading to dangerous products, no accountability to manufacturers, higher prices, violence between gangs for control over sales?

Or is that the war on drugs? Wait, 1930's, today, they seem so similar I get them mixed up.

No where did I suggest tobacco, alcohol or anything else should be prohibited.

[yukonjasper]

Did anyone attend the auction and if so were there any "finds". There certainly were some nice weapons listed.

[Duff-Man]

Did anyone attend the auction and if so were there any "finds". There certainly were some nice weapons listed.

A handful of people seemed overly willing to overpay for everything, so not really.

[xd ED]

Did anyone attend the auction and if so were there any "finds". There certainly were some nice weapons listed.

A handful of people seemed overly willing to overpay for everything, so not really.

Many years ago i attended a lot of tool and equipment auctions to pick up used woodworking and construction tools and materials.
I soon learned to avoid almost any auction held on a weekend.
During the week, the bidders were typically folks in the trades, who had a reasonable idea what things were worth, new and used. They would bid accordingly
On weekends, I saw a lot of people out for the entertainment, as much as anything. With some, the value of what was being sold was secondary to them fulfilling their competitive instincts to win the item. Many times, due in part to a talented auctioneer, used stuff sold for more than new retail.

Another thing to be aware of at government auctions- a lot of 'insiders' have a chance to peruse the merchandise before the sale.
I know of one case where the spark-plug wires on the engine of an old, used dump truck were switched around. Obviously it didn't run worth crap, and it sold cheap to someone who happened to know someone employed at that agency...

[ForeverTwoWheels]

[quote="russellmn"]
What he's getting at here is the difference between "against the law" and "crime". Again, the Libertarian ideology suggests/claims "no victim, no crime", so the guy smoking dope... did he break the law? Yes. Did he commit a crime? To a libertarian, there's no victim, so no, he didn't commit a crime.

I would contend that their is a victim - the rest of the taxpayers that end up having to support the dope smoker when early onset alzheimers and/or cancer sets in through increased healthcare premiums, having seen several examples of this firsthand.

So you dont smoke tobacco or drink alcohol and would like to see those "Prohibited" as well? How did that work out last time? Black markets, gangs selling them on the streets leading to dangerous products, no accountability to manufacturers, higher prices, violence between gangs for control over sales?

Or is that the war on drugs? Wait, 1930's, today, they seem so similar I get them mixed up.

No where did I suggest tobacco, alcohol or anything else should be prohibited.[/quote]

So a free individual may only ingest what substances you approve of, eh?

"Dope" is a no no, because our current health system then, unjustly, places the costs onto the rest of society but you don't do the same when ingesting daddy government approved drugs like alcohol and tobacco?

Dante, my friend, I've reached my daily limit of hypocrisy already today. Prohibition didn't work for alcohol please stop thinking it will ever work for any other "illicit" substance because it simply doesn't. It's an excuse for the agencies to have their tanks and big guns piloted by bloused boots thugs come on now.