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[LarryFlew]

as MEN, CHILDREN and all the inbetween we are required to treat guns with respect and have reverence for the responsibility they DEMAND.


that being said - someone dustoff my beer bong - i feel like having an old school colledge bender tonight

sorry boss

Agreed and where are we doing this

[Shipyard]

as MEN, CHILDREN and all the inbetween we are required to treat guns with respect and have reverence for the responsibility they DEMAND.


that being said - someone dustoff my beer bong - i feel like having an old school colledge bender tonight

sorry boss

Agreed and where are we doing this

dive bar with loose women?

[Thunder71]

dive bar with loose women?

Seems to be a theme with you...

[gwilley1]

as MEN, CHILDREN and all the inbetween we are required to treat guns with respect and have reverence for the responsibility they DEMAND.


that being said - someone dustoff my beer bong - i feel like having an old school colledge bender tonight

sorry boss

Agreed and where are we doing this

dive bar with loose women?

Like a Hotdog down a hallway!!

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[GunGoogler]

as MEN, CHILDREN and all the inbetween we are required to treat guns with respect and have reverence for the responsibility they DEMAND.


that being said - someone dustoff my beer bong - i feel like having an old school colledge bender tonight

sorry boss

Agreed and where are we doing this

dive bar with loose women?

Isn't that redundant?

[Shipyard]

dive bar with loose women?

Seems to be a theme with you...

hey - when you find something that works for you....


did you guys see my 7 pairs of shoes?

[XDM45]

What about diving loose women in bars? or is that too much?

[gunforhire]

What about diving loose women in bars? or is that too much?

When they're loose, sometimes you have to dive

[Lunchbox]

dive bar with loose women?

The question is who would be slumming? You or the loose women?

[XDM45]

What about diving loose women in bars? or is that too much?

When they're loose, sometimes you have to dive

Ok guys....cover me. I'm goin' in... oooh rah!!

[SGT.E.USMC]

There are several reasons as to why I became a firearms instructor. On one hand I've had an obsession with firearms since I was watching westerns in diapers. I also want to share knowledge and promote safety, responsibility, and to enable average joe citizen and PFC showershoe to protect themselves in public and at home.

I was also present at an incident over 10 years ago when a HOLSTERED (off the belt) S&W model 15 discharged into my friend's lower shoulder/chest area, and I was up to my elbows in his blood until the EMT's arrived. He survived, with most of the .38 hydrashock still lodged in there. Anytime (daily) I handle firearms, I take a breath, and focus on my actions. I have seen alot of blood and some gunshot wounds under different circumstances, but witnessing that ordeal stayed with me and permanently altered my thought process and attitude about firearms.

"Switching on" is something I try to reinforce when handling guns, as routine gun-handling becomes second nature. You could be talking with a friend at your home and on auto-pilot you could make a condition 1 weapon. It becomes as regular as grabbing your keys and pocketing your wallet. I know this statement may be a little off topic.

I also had another friend walking in a mall with a blackhawk serpa shoulder rig. His bicep engaged the retention button and spilled his XD on the mall floor, alarming everyone around him. Then he was faced with picking the doggone thing up and re-holstering. The weapon did not discharge. I know that most of you heard of the 25 year old woman that gave a hug to the off-duty cop, his holstered weapon discharged killing her. This was recent news.

My point is this gentlemen, please be safe! I will not pass judgement on any of you, that is not my place. There are too many what-if's out there, and though none of these experiences yielded an ND (Thank god), it takes a millisecond for a freak accident to occur, and the rest of your life you will live with that experience.

[45Badger]

There are several reasons as to why I became a firearms instructor. On one hand I've had an obsession with firearms since I was watching westerns in diapers. I also want to share knowledge and promote safety, responsibility, and to enable average joe citizen and PFC showershoe to protect themselves in public and at home.

I was also present at an incident over 10 years ago when a HOLSTERED (off the belt) S&W model 15 discharged into my friend's lower shoulder/chest area, and I was up to my elbows in his blood until the EMT's arrived. He survived, with most of the .38 hydrashock still lodged in there. Anytime (daily) I handle firearms, I take a breath, and focus on my actions. I have seen alot of blood and some gunshot wounds under different circumstances, but witnessing that ordeal stayed with me and permanently altered my thought process and attitude about firearms.

"Switching on" is something I try to reinforce when handling guns, as routine gun-handling becomes second nature. You could be talking with a friend at your home and on auto-pilot you could make a condition 1 weapon. It becomes as regular as grabbing your keys and pocketing your wallet. I know this statement may be a little off topic.

I also had another friend walking in a mall with a blackhawk serpa shoulder rig. His bicep engaged the retention button and spilled his XD on the mall floor, alarming everyone around him. Then he was faced with picking the doggone thing up and re-holstering. The weapon did not discharge. I know that most of you heard of the 25 year old woman that gave a hug to the off-duty cop, his holstered weapon discharged killing her. This was recent news.

My point is this gentlemen, please be safe! I will not pass judgement on any of you, that is not my place. There are too many what-if's out there, and though none of these experiences yielded an ND (Thank god), it takes a millisecond for a freak accident to occur, and the rest of your life you will live with that experience.

Well put! 90% of the accidental/negligent discharges I have heard or read about included something like this-

"I swear it wasn't loaded" or "I swear I didn't touch the trigger" or "It went off by itself".

Few ever say, "You know, I just got complacent and dropped the gun, shot my buddy, blew a hole through my thigh, etc".

The idiots who text while driving are not trying to kill anybody either. They are making the same incorrect assumption that "it" won't happen to them, or that their superior intellect (or physical conditioning, training, and reaction time) will allow them to survive/prevail/prevent an accident. Unfortunately, they are often wrong. In the case of guns, there are no airbags or crumple zones to mitigate the damage. The consequences of an AD/ND are too fast and too final to risk it with unsafe behavior or horseplay. Those who think they are above the risk are either ignorant or lack mature judgement. To be avoided in either case.

[XDM45]

There are several reasons as to why I became a firearms instructor. On one hand I've had an obsession with firearms since I was watching westerns in diapers. I also want to share knowledge and promote safety, responsibility, and to enable average joe citizen and PFC showershoe to protect themselves in public and at home.

I was also present at an incident over 10 years ago when a HOLSTERED (off the belt) S&W model 15 discharged into my friend's lower shoulder/chest area, and I was up to my elbows in his blood until the EMT's arrived. He survived, with most of the .38 hydrashock still lodged in there. Anytime (daily) I handle firearms, I take a breath, and focus on my actions. I have seen alot of blood and some gunshot wounds under different circumstances, but witnessing that ordeal stayed with me and permanently altered my thought process and attitude about firearms.

"Switching on" is something I try to reinforce when handling guns, as routine gun-handling becomes second nature. You could be talking with a friend at your home and on auto-pilot you could make a condition 1 weapon. It becomes as regular as grabbing your keys and pocketing your wallet. I know this statement may be a little off topic.

I also had another friend walking in a mall with a blackhawk serpa shoulder rig. His bicep engaged the retention button and spilled his XD on the mall floor, alarming everyone around him. Then he was faced with picking the doggone thing up and re-holstering. The weapon did not discharge. I know that most of you heard of the 25 year old woman that gave a hug to the off-duty cop, his holstered weapon discharged killing her. This was recent news.

My point is this gentlemen, please be safe! I will not pass judgement on any of you, that is not my place. There are too many what-if's out there, and though none of these experiences yielded an ND (Thank god), it takes a millisecond for a freak accident to occur, and the rest of your life you will live with that experience.

Perhaps (Condition 2) NOT having a round chambered is such a good idea? Condition 3 may be close enough and a bit safer in one regard, but not so in another. In some regard, I can see where having one in the chamber (Condition 2) may be better than Condition 3. I can see both sides, is what I'm saying, but there's a valid argument for both.

[mzdadoc]

There are several reasons as to why I became a firearms instructor. On one hand I've had an obsession with firearms since I was watching westerns in diapers. I also want to share knowledge and promote safety, responsibility, and to enable average joe citizen and PFC showershoe to protect themselves in public and at home.

I was also present at an incident over 10 years ago when a HOLSTERED (off the belt) S&W model 15 discharged into my friend's lower shoulder/chest area, and I was up to my elbows in his blood until the EMT's arrived. He survived, with most of the .38 hydrashock still lodged in there. Anytime (daily) I handle firearms, I take a breath, and focus on my actions. I have seen alot of blood and some gunshot wounds under different circumstances, but witnessing that ordeal stayed with me and permanently altered my thought process and attitude about firearms.

"Switching on" is something I try to reinforce when handling guns, as routine gun-handling becomes second nature. You could be talking with a friend at your home and on auto-pilot you could make a condition 1 weapon. It becomes as regular as grabbing your keys and pocketing your wallet. I know this statement may be a little off topic.

I also had another friend walking in a mall with a blackhawk serpa shoulder rig. His bicep engaged the retention button and spilled his XD on the mall floor, alarming everyone around him. Then he was faced with picking the doggone thing up and re-holstering. The weapon did not discharge. I know that most of you heard of the 25 year old woman that gave a hug to the off-duty cop, his holstered weapon discharged killing her. This was recent news.

My point is this gentlemen, please be safe! I will not pass judgement on any of you, that is not my place. There are too many what-if's out there, and though none of these experiences yielded an ND (Thank god), it takes a millisecond for a freak accident to occur, and the rest of your life you will live with that experience.

Thank you very much for that!!!!!!
As I've read over all of this and myself being the original poster I never meant it to come across as no big deal. It did because of my choice of words and I was trying to come off as look what happened and how I dealt with it but trying to give a little levity as to insight conversation not judgement. It all happened so fast and was one of those awkward moments where you feel so uncomfortable you make a joke.... My daughter tells me I type with attitude all the time and I guess shes right. Shipyard and others you were right I shouldn't have posted it at all or the very least the way that I did. I have read every post and have taken them to heart. Shippy can I still call you Shippy????? LOL Yours I did more cuz I read it with the attitude you must be perfect how lucky for you!!! Truth is you hold yourself and others very accountable for our sport and our right to carry.
I have tweaked if you will my attitude towards carrying. I will keep in mind these posts so I don't just treat this powerful firearm as willy nilly as I do by grabbing my keys & moneyless clip.
Thank you all for your insight and opinions

[XDM45]

@mzdadoc

Things happen beyond our control as much as we'd like everything to be in our control, it just isn't always that way. The key is to do our very best, or what we perceive as our very best, and then attempt to do even better and to always strive for perfection while we over-emphasize safety. We need to go to the extremes. As an example of this, I never consider a gun unloaded unless it's completely disassembled in front of me. Once it's reassembled, it's a loaded weapon. End of story. Extreme? Yes. OCD? Probably. Necessary? ABSOLUTELY!! No one can afford to have any slack and there must be zero-tolerance because people will look at someone as a "crazy, irresponsible, gun nut" and then use that as ammo against us. That's the minor part of it though.... the major issue is someone could get harmed.

For the record, I wasn't coming down hard on you, and I know you never said I was, I only make that known here because I'm sure you read my posts and I wanted to clarify it, that's all.....

I've typed things that have been misconstrued by others - just as I've misconstrued others words as well.... and I've even made some boneheaded posts I shouldn't have in the past on various places around the web, guilty of them all..... been there, done that; but I do think people have made some valid points and you'll take heed of them, I'm sure. I know I will. I prefer to learn by the mistakes of others vs. my own, especially when it comes to guns - unless their mistakes involve negligently shooting someone, then learning is too late at that point.

Now not to stir the pot, but only to mention it here..... my post about/to Scratch still holds my opinions as such, and it always will.

I think anyone CAN see the difference between the attitude of mzdadoc and the attitude of scratch; however both appear to be exactly the same to the anti-gun people, those of us who are extra safety-paranoid, etc etc etc.

Also, and also for the record, if anyone ever seems me make a boneheaded move with a gun, correct me then and there on the spot... PLEASE. I promise likewise to do the same to anyone else.