Go Sealed Mindset!

[Stradawhovious]

Nothing quite like taking advantage of a tragedy. Didn't even let the bodies cool.

Borderline poor taste.

The media sought them out.

You absolutely certain of that? Seeing some of the marketing techniques they have used on this
forum (shill accounts etc.) I have my doubts.

[dsm2nr]

It would be nice if more people were prepared. However, as I mentioned, I think there would still be many a panicked sheep regardless of what self help courses they took beforehand. It's a natural reaction to hit flight mode and think dear god (or whatever diety you beleive in) this can't be happening to me oh **** oh **** oh ****, and it's hard to overcome. Combat (and Aurora was nothing short of a combat zone) is not a natural state for people to be in, and the majority react adversly.

Secondly, I'm insulted that you would insinuate that I would rather people be sheep. I'd rather people were people, I'm sick to death of the general sheep public, faces stuck to cell phones, ears plugged with headphones, no idea of what's going on around them until reality ******* down their throats.

Lastly. Really?

Absolutely really. Go back and read your first post. If you can't get my point of view, read it until you do. Because not just myself took it that way, the guy below me did and so did another one. Probably more that didn't say anything.

Here's your problem. 1) You know nothing about Sealed Mindset. How can I tell? Because your argument is flight response is natural. However, you don't know their curriculum. You also say it's "one class." How do you know every student in that room hasn't been there more than a month training already? You don't. You assume and look like a (well you know what) to the people who know anything about what you're assuming.

Not just your presentation of it, but the whole thought that no difference can be made and the battle is lost already really irks me. If people like you continually think, "Nobody can help themselves, even with lots and lots of training." Then we might as well not live in the US. Do you know how SEALs start out? Not knowing a damn thing. They get training. Obviously they go through 2+ years of hardcore stuff day in and day out, that a civvie never will. But if just a fraction of the "The best defense is offense." Saying is instilled in more civvies, we'd be a lot better off. Especially with moronic permit holders like the other guy that posted.

Nothing quite like taking advantage of a tragedy. Didn't even let the bodies cool.

Borderline poor taste.

The media sought them out.

You absolutely certain of that? Seeing some of the marketing techniques they have used on this
forum (shill accounts etc.) I have my doubts.

I not only entertain it. I believe it. Because I know Larry and Anne to be honest, honorable people. Did you ever disprove that it wasn't someone in their building? Which houses way more businesses than just them.

Not trying to poke a hot stick in the eye, but what does that statement sound like? To me it sounds just like what an anti would say, such as "the bad guy will just take your gun away and use it on you". So unless you have extensive training every year, you should not carry?

With that same thought, unless you have steel enforced door and window jambs with steel bars over your windows that will stop a break in, don't bother locking the doors and windows, the bad guy will just cause more damage when entering.

NO, no no, unless you can prepare at the top most level, don't bother, just accept the fact that you will surcome.

This is exactly how I felt seeing his first post, just without so many words.

[Jackpine Savage]

Nothing quite like taking advantage of a tragedy. Didn't even let the bodies cool.

Borderline poor taste.

The media sought them out.

You absolutely certain of that? Seeing some of the marketing techniques they have used on this
forum (shill accounts etc.) I have my doubts.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. It was good to see something positive on a news site. I also don't take this internet stuff too seriously.

[smokintone]

Simply put. TRAIN,TRAIN,TRAIN! Any training that can be done, all the better. It's better to have a fighting chance, then no chance at all. I think some people are just born to be either a "Fight" type or a "Flight" type. Honestly, we need more peole in this world willing to be "Heroes" for the betterment of others, willing to give up something, even life, if it means other might live. This world would be a much better place if we all had that mind set.

[smokintone]

As far as "Sealed Mindset" I say more power to them. I highly doubt they just popped up after the Colorado shooting for craps sake, it's obvious that someone at the news channel was imformed about them, then they decided to do a story on them.

[dsm2nr]

Simply put. TRAIN,TRAIN,TRAIN! Any training that can be done, all the better. It's better to have a fighting chance, then no chance at all. I think some people are just born to be either a "Fight" type or a "Flight" type. Honestly, we need more peole in this world willing to be "Heroes" for the betterment of others, willing to give up something, even life, if it means other might live. This world would be a much better place if we all had that mind set.

As far as "Sealed Mindset" I say more power to them. I highly doubt they just popped up after the Colorado shooting for craps sake, it's obvious that someone at the news channel was imformed about them, then they decided to do a story on them.

Finally something we agree on.

And just an FYI to anyone thinking SM sought the news out. On the 16th of this month they had a spot on KSTP. They were still fresh in the news stations minds. Probably why they got another spot.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S2691705.shtml?cat=0

[smokintone]

Lol! I just think we live in a world now that anything can happen, anywhere, anytime, and we can either choose to do something about it (TRAIN) or we can stick our heads in the sand and belive that "It won't happen here" or "To me" unfortunetly, there seems to be a alot of people on this forum with the latter mindset!

[GunGoogler]

Lol! I just think we live in a world now that anything can happen, anywhere, anytime, and we can either choose to do something about it (TRAIN) or we can stick our heads in the sand and belive that "It won't happen here" or "To me" unfortunetly, there seems to be a alot of people on this forum with the latter mindset!

I don't disagree with you, per se, but I do want to point out that there is a middle point of view that considers the statistical averages of being involved in something like that and considers it against a number of disadvantages to carrying. Some people may simply accept the risk if they think the likelihood is small enough to outweigh the perceived costs to them. I don't fall into that category, but I get that there is a wide and diverse set of opinions and positions along a continuum, rather than an either/or proposition.

[cobb]

Honestly, we need more peole in this world willing to be "Heroes" for the betterment of others, willing to give up something, even life, if it means other might live. This world would be a much better place if we all had that mind set.

You mean like United flight 93?

Many anti say that a permit holder playing hero may get other innocent killed by their actions and the pro side will say that those actions may have saved many more.
So the heroic actions of a few of the passengers on United flight 93 got many innocent killed, or save many more lives?

[smokintone]

I agree, but I think most would agree that the Hero's of Flight 93 did the right thing. I know for me personally, I would be that person trying to the best of my abillity to "Do the right thing" whatever that cost might be, as long as it helps the situation, and not hurt it.

We can't see into the future, and so we won't know the outcome of an inccident, but I hope that if I, or someone in my family are ever in a situation like that, I would pray that there would be other like minded people around willing to "Do the right thing"

[Stradawhovious]

You absolutely certain of that? Seeing some of the marketing techniques they have used on this
forum (shill accounts etc.) I have my doubts.

I not only entertain it. I believe it. Because I know Larry and Anne to be honest, honorable people. Did you ever disprove that it wasn't someone in their building? Which houses way more businesses than just them..

Nope. Neither did you, and neither did they. I do know that there were some pleas to have the posts dleted by the author for the reasons I'm commenting about, but hey. Why bring that into this, right?

So to that end we will have to agree to disagree, since we both know we're right.

[dsm2nr]

Nope. Neither did you, and neither did they. I do know that there were some pleas to have the posts dleted by the author for the reasons I'm commenting about, but hey. Why bring that into this, right?

So to that end we will have to agree to disagree, since we both know we're right.

So you have no proof and are forming an opinion based on hunches. Got it.

[Paul]

Nope. Neither did you, and neither did they. I do know that there were some pleas to have the posts dleted by the author for the reasons I'm commenting about, but hey. Why bring that into this, right?

So to that end we will have to agree to disagree, since we both know we're right.

So you have no proof and are forming an opinion based on hunches. Got it.

His proof is possibly knowledge being a former moderator of this forum... Possibly.

[Stradawhovious]

See above.

[rtk]

Nope. Neither did you, and neither did they. I do know that there were some pleas to have the posts dleted by the author for the reasons I'm commenting about, but hey. Why bring that into this, right?

So to that end we will have to agree to disagree, since we both know we're right.

So you have no proof and are forming an opinion based on hunches. Got it.

His proof is possibly knowledge being a former moderator of this forum... Possibly.

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