Go Sealed Mindset!

[dsm2nr]

Nope. Neither did you, and neither did they. I do know that there were some pleas to have the posts dleted by the author for the reasons I'm commenting about, but hey. Why bring that into this, right?

So to that end we will have to agree to disagree, since we both know we're right.

So you have no proof and are forming an opinion based on hunches. Got it.

His proof is possibly knowledge being a former moderator of this forum... Possibly.

That is and asinine claim to make when you post nothing to back it up.

[Stradawhovious]

That is and asinine claim to make when you post nothing to back it up.

And where your proof to the contrary?........

That's what I thought.

Here's the deal. You are trying to prove the whole internet that I'm wrong, since it seems pretty danged important to you what people think of Sealed Mindset. You can't do it, since you have no proof.

I only need to prove to myself that I'm right, since the only person's opinion I care about is my own. I've done that.

Tell you what.... Why not set up a shill account here, and have that shill account agree with you, and present some "facts" of their own? That might help sway public opinion in your favor.

Hell, it almost worked for Sealed Mindset.

Fact is, Sealed mindset uses some pretty aggressive marketing techniques. There is generally nothing wrong with that.

This one, with the "news article" within about 24 hours of the masscre, I personally feel, is over the line in poor taste. REGARDLESS of who approached who. In MY EYES, it reflects negatively on the company.

Have whatever opinon you want. I have mine.

Have a nice day!

[redaudi]

@ cobb.

sorry, but I think there's a big difference between an active shooter scenario where a heavily armed armor clad nutbag starts killing for the hell of it and reacting to a burglary or mugger, etc. I think the response from an average sensible carry holder is going to be more favorable in scenario two.
have you ever been shot at? if so, in what context? honest question.


dsm, if you're going to skew what I say in my response to you and make broad generalizations about things I didn't actually say, we're done. have fun pretending you're the real life jack bauer, since you're clearly experienced with active shooter scenarios and urban combat.

I stand with strad in the opinion that it was poor timing. they may have been approached, but it sure seems that they jumped at the opportunity to capitalize on people's fear.

[mmcnx2]

That is and asinine claim to make when you post nothing to back it up.

And where your proof to the contrary?........

That's what I thought.

Here's the deal. You are trying to prove the whole internet that I'm wrong, since it seems pretty danged important to you what people think of Sealed Mindset. You can't do it, since you have no proof.

I only need to prove to myself that I'm right, since the only person's opinion I care about is my own. I've done that.

Tell you what.... Why not set up a shill account here, and have that shill account agree with you, and present some "facts" of their own? That might help sway public opinion in your favor.

Hell, it almost worked for Sealed Mindset.

Fact is, Sealed mindset uses some pretty aggressive marketing techniques. There is generally nothing wrong with that.

This one, with the "news article" within about 24 hours of the masscre, I personally feel, is over the line in poor taste. REGARDLESS of who approached who. In MY EYES, it reflects negatively on the company.

Have whatever opinon you want. I have mine.

Have a nice day!

+1000, and add to this why and how would the media pick this group as reference. Its not like they have any reputation beyond a very very small group. Heck how would the media even find them.

[cobb]

@ cobb. have you ever been shot at? if so, in what context? honest question.

No I have not been shot at, had a shotgun pointed at me in Burbank, California back in 1977 during a domestic dispute.
And your point is? Not having experienced being shot at disqualifies a person in the ability to defend them self? Guess you lost me on that one.

[GunGoogler]

@ cobb. have you ever been shot at? if so, in what context? honest question.

No I have not been shot at, had a shotgun pointed at me in Burbank, California back in 1977 during a domestic dispute.
And your point is? Not having experienced being shot at disqualifies a person in the ability to defend them self? Guess you lost me on that one.

I'll take that a step further and saying that, having been shot, I tend to experience a little more nerves from the pointed gun than others may.

Training and courage. Those are the difference makers. You could toss in luck, if you are inclined, but I am not.

[redaudi]

@ cobb. have you ever been shot at? if so, in what context? honest question.

No I have not been shot at, had a shotgun pointed at me in Burbank, California back in 1977 during a domestic dispute.
And your point is? Not having experienced being shot at disqualifies a person in the ability to defend them self? Guess you lost me on that one.

no, i'm sorry if that came across wrong. i'm not at all saying that if you haven't been shot at you are less able to defend yourself, and I apologize if it seemed that way.

the reason I ask is because until you actually experience sustained fire firsthand, you can't 'know' how you will react. granted, everyone reacts differently, and law enforcement or military or very regular civilian preparation/training courses help.

to kind of clarify, i'm talking specifically about an active shooter, firefight type scenario. my point of view is that most carry holders are more than prepared and skilled enough to properly defend themselves in a home invasion, mugging, burglary, carjacking, etc. many times, the primary motive is not to take your life, but your stuff.

it's quite different when they want only to snuff out as many lives as possible, and start things off with bullets. I personally feel that active 'combat' (versus self defence in my above examples) is something completely different, and something not many people are actually prepared for.

I hope that clarifies things a little?

[redaudi]

I apologize for any spelling errors in the posts above, it's nearly impossible to type long posts like the above on my phone.

[cobb]

..... until you actually experience sustained fire firsthand, you can't 'know' how you will react.

I think that is the point. You seem to indicate that people will not react to a level that is needed, you don't know that. My plan is to survive and I believe I will do what is needed to do so, if that is to exchange gunfire with an attacker in a situation, I will do so to survive.

[redaudi]

..... until you actually experience sustained fire firsthand, you can't 'know' how you will react.

I think that is the point. You seem to indicate that people will not react to a level that is needed, you don't know that. My plan is to survive and I believe I will do what is needed to do so, if that is to exchange gunfire with an attacker in a situation, I will do so to survive.

I suppose that's fair enough. I guess my opinion or tendency to lean towards the thought that an average, non-carrying, inexperienced average joe is less likely to react well is based on a general dislike for the 'sheeple', and overall pessimism towards the capabilities of most.

As I mentioned, I think a generally observant carry holder, or a vet, or an LEO, etc would have an edge up.

I think we're on the same page of slightly different books. And all that being said, I don't doubt your abilities. I'd rather be with (most) carry holders than with none.

No hard feelings.