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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby TH3180 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:48 pm

EJSG19 wrote:I was a little skeptical before my first match of any sort. Much like i was before i took any defensive firearm class.

In both cases I was eating humble pie after attending. The biggest advantage i gained from either was simply having my abilities put into perspective. No i was not the worst, and i certainly was not the best. But i knew for sure that practicing by myself wasnt cutting it. I was perfectly content with my "skills" when shooting on my own. I was SO glad I didnt continue to be content with that.

PTC type folks tend to be the personality that tells themselves they have things under control, or whatever they do themselves is best. Dangerous thoughts for preparing to defend yourself from the unknown.

Otherwise, its fun, simple as that. No matter if you compete against the others, or just try to better your own performance. Either way it is beneficial. I hadnt even tried shooting as fast, because i thought i was already fast as is. WRONG i was!!! So, for nay sayers, try it and see, you may be doing yourself a favor. The ammo and equipment cost is pretty small, often time its stuff you should have anyway (several magazines for example). Most events are only 150 rounds and often less. Thats less than a good range session for me for round count. Lots worse ways to blow money (smoking, beer, brass pole joints, all come to mind however alluring).

You will see what good technique is for drawing, grip, timing, movement, etc. These are things you dont get from reading books or "trusting your own judgement". Events, matches and classes completely changed my idea of what my proficiency ought to be. That is IMO huge.

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Re: Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby IDPA Shooter on Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:47 pm

TH3180 wrote:
EJSG19 wrote:I was a little skeptical before my first match of any sort. Much like i was before i took any defensive firearm class.

In both cases I was eating humble pie after attending. The biggest advantage i gained from either was simply having my abilities put into perspective. No i was not the worst, and i certainly was not the best. But i knew for sure that practicing by myself wasnt cutting it. I was perfectly content with my "skills" when shooting on my own. I was SO glad I didnt continue to be content with that.

PTC type folks tend to be the personality that tells themselves they have things under control, or whatever they do themselves is best. Dangerous thoughts for preparing to defend yourself from the unknown.

Otherwise, its fun, simple as that. No matter if you compete against the others, or just try to better your own performance. Either way it is beneficial. I hadnt even tried shooting as fast, because i thought i was already fast as is. WRONG i was!!! So, for nay sayers, try it and see, you may be doing yourself a favor. The ammo and equipment cost is pretty small, often time its stuff you should have anyway (several magazines for example). Most events are only 150 rounds and often less. Thats less than a good range session for me for round count. Lots worse ways to blow money (smoking, beer, brass pole joints, all come to mind however alluring).

You will see what good technique is for drawing, grip, timing, movement, etc. These are things you dont get from reading books or "trusting your own judgement". Events, matches and classes completely changed my idea of what my proficiency ought to be. That is IMO huge.

Amen!!!


+100. Well written and IMHO totally correct

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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby SkyRock on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:37 am

EJSG19 wrote:I was a little skeptical before my first match of any sort. Much like i was before i took any defensive firearm class.

In both cases I was eating humble pie after attending. The biggest advantage i gained from either was simply having my abilities put into perspective. No i was not the worst, and i certainly was not the best. But i knew for sure that practicing by myself wasnt cutting it. I was perfectly content with my "skills" when shooting on my own. I was SO glad I didnt continue to be content with that.

PTC type folks tend to be the personality that tells themselves they have things under control, or whatever they do themselves is best. Dangerous thoughts for preparing to defend yourself from the unknown.

Otherwise, its fun, simple as that. No matter if you compete against the others, or just try to better your own performance. Either way it is beneficial. I hadnt even tried shooting as fast, because i thought i was already fast as is. WRONG i was!!! So, for nay sayers, try it and see, you may be doing yourself a favor. The ammo and equipment cost is pretty small, often time its stuff you should have anyway (several magazines for example). Most events are only 150 rounds and often less. Thats less than a good range session for me for round count. Lots worse ways to blow money (smoking, beer, brass pole joints, all come to mind however alluring).

You will see what good technique is for drawing, grip, timing, movement, etc. These are things you dont get from reading books or "trusting your own judgement". Events, matches and classes completely changed my idea of what my proficiency ought to be. That is IMO huge.

Well said! :cheerleader2:

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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby brado on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:00 am

Everything I have learned about shooting has came from watching other people.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby TH3180 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:01 am

brado wrote:Everything I have learned about shooting has came from watching other people.

And now you are the teacher. Funny how that works.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby brado on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:07 am

The thing is no one ever gave me any advice. I don't know if its just the competitiveness in people or what.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby TH3180 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:24 am

brado wrote:The thing is no one ever gave me any advice. I don't know if its just the competitiveness in people or what.

Most of what I have learned from matches. Is just sitting back and watching how other people do things. You can always tell when a good shooter is up. It gets real quiet.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby cobb on Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:01 am

brado wrote:The thing is no one ever gave me any advice. I don't know if its just the competitiveness in people or what.

So you shoot IPSC ?
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:00 pm

What are the primary differences between the IPSC and the IDPA?

Pros and cons of each?
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby TH3180 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:05 pm

XDM45 wrote:What are the primary differences between the IPSC and the IDPA?

Pros and cons of each?

http://www.uspsa.org/
http://www.ipsc.org/
http://www.idpa.com/
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby Pat Cannon on Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:52 pm

XDM45 wrote:What are the primary differences between the IPSC and the IDPA?

Pros and cons of each?

I can't afford IPSC, purely due to the round count, not to mention the inevitable temptation to buy a really fancy gun, so I shoot IDPA. If I win the lottery I will jump right into IPSC, even though it will give me bad habits about not using cover that will get me killed in a gunfight.

[Edited to add round count.]
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby XDM45 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:26 pm

TH3180 wrote:
XDM45 wrote:What are the primary differences between the IPSC and the IDPA?

Pros and cons of each?

http://www.uspsa.org/
http://www.ipsc.org/
http://www.idpa.com/


Thanks for the links, and I will check them out, but I was looking more for personal experience and opinion.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby bpacman on Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:57 pm

XDM45 wrote:
Thanks for the links, and I will check them out, but I was looking more for personal experience and opinion.


Your best option is to get out from behind the computer, show up at the matches to see what they are like and decide for yourself if you want to participate.

We understand that it is uncomfortable the first time that you do it and we make every effort to make you feel welcome but there is no way we can accurately describe the experience for you on a forum.

Bring your gun, holster and three magazines. As you watch everyone go through the match you begin to realize how unique the experience is. When you get a chance to run through a course of fire after the match, it will be hard to wait for the next match to participate in the whole thing. You will not be sorry you showed up.

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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby promod1385 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:58 pm

XDM45 wrote:
TH3180 wrote:
XDM45 wrote:What are the primary differences between the IPSC and the IDPA?

Pros and cons of each?

http://www.uspsa.org/
http://www.ipsc.org/
http://www.idpa.com/


Thanks for the links, and I will check them out, but I was looking more for personal experience and opinion.



Bear in mind we dont shoot much IPSC here in the US. Its mostly USPSA which is a slightly different set of rules and equipment. IDPA has some different rules (and some different equipment rules), you have to reload from behind cover, you generally have to shoot targets in a certain order etc... USPSA is a little bit more free wheeling allowing more freedom during he course of fire.

I am philosophically opposed to IDPA as I dont think there is anything "defensive" about shooting someone with a gun. In that moment you are bringing the fight to them and thus it is an offensive gesture. You will discover there are two very different camps between IDPA and USPSA. Lots of hardcore IDPA guys have no time for USPSA and lots of really good USPSA shooters would never even think about shooting an IDPA match. Two different gun games and two vastly different mindsets.

The gent who recommended you get out from behind a computer is giving you the best advice a guy can get. I always tell people DO NOT show up for a match and plan on being a spectator, bring a gun, holster, and four magazines. Let everyone you encounter know its your first shoot. People will be very helpful! If you dont have the equipment I laid out above post on here ahead of time and someone will likely let you borrow what you need. I have borrowed full rigs including guns from people here when I needed to.

You have posted several things in the thread discussing how you are not in to competition etc...thats all cool however the bottom line is that shooting handgun matches is the best practice you can get if your interested in learning to defend yourself with a gun.

Your not going to light the world on fire and win anything your first time out, and your not going to impress anyone with your skills. You will make a much better impression on everyone if you show up with an open mind and are prepared to ask questions, take criticism and most importantly BE SAFE! You goal should not be to win, your goal should be to not get DQ'ed.
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Re: Why do you shoot matches?

Postby SkyRock on Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:52 pm

Here's a great explaination of why I shoot in competition. Maybe some of you will recognize yourselves, too.
http://pistol-training.com/archives/6858
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