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Re: new to carrying

Postby sgruenhagen44 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:58 am

Countryfried Frank wrote:I don't blame you for not having one in the chamber. There are plenty of good reasons for and against. I won't recommend one manner of carry over another for you but I will recommend that you train like you carry. Snap Caps are great for dry fire practice just double check to make sure your handgun is clear first.



I guess I fail to see one advantage of carrying a weapon that is not fully loaded. Enlighten me please. I guess the way I see it is that, you don't pull the trigger and it doesn't go bang. And everyone is happy and safe. My gun has a manual safety and I got a lot of crap from glock guys saying carry guns should not even have safeties.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Stradawhovious on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:15 am

To the OP. Carry however you feel comfortable, but know a couple of things....

The vast majority of folks here who carry frequently.... I'd bewilling to guess 99.9%.... carry with one in the chamber, and none of us have shot ourselves in the leg as a result of that alone. Well, not that anyone has admitted to anyways.

The likelihood of you being able to identify a threat of GBH, then have enough time to unholster, rack a round into the slide, engage the target and pull the trigger before the threat overcomes you are almost nil....... but the are slightly better than you actually having the fine motor skills needed to perform those actions, or the mental focus to rember that you need to rack one into the slide under the stress involved. People that think otherwise either have never been in that type of situation before, or are Highly trained high speed low drag operators with years of first hand experience. (I will let you guess who is who here.) I understand your hesitation, but my recommendation would be to start now, rather than get into the habit of carrying on an empty chamber.

Personally I've never been in a situation where I have had to fire in self defense (thank God), but one time (and only one thankfully) I did have to draw due to a threat.... and let me tell you, the only thing on my mind.... and I mean ONLY thing..... was "Holy **** I have to get out of here or things are going to get terrible in a hurry". Instant adrenaline dump, my hands went cold, I got a bit of tunnel vision (never would have known it at the time, it's an amazing phenomenon), and If I had to use my gun, and it had an empty chamber, all I would have heard was a click. Guaranteed. Luckily retreat was possible and quick, and a 911 call took care of the situation... I assume it did anyways. I certianly didn't go back to check up on things.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Fyrwys on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:53 am

sgruenhagen44 wrote:...I guess I fail to see one advantage of carrying a weapon that is not fully loaded. Enlighten me please...


I will...
I think you all are missing the point. The OP is not, initially, carrying the pistol for personal protection--he's carrying it to get used to carrying a pistol. Once he feels comfortable doing so, as he stated, he will begin carrying for personal protection with one in the pipe. I think most here can appreciate what it feels like carrying the first time (or few times); I'm printing, everyone knows, it's going to go bang for no reason, etc... While the points made here are valid and very real in terms of carrying empty for self defense, that's not his goal at this point. Get off his ass.
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new to carrying

Postby matthew.allen on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:29 am

Fyrwys wrote:
sgruenhagen44 wrote:...I guess I fail to see one advantage of carrying a weapon that is not fully loaded. Enlighten me please...


I will...
I think you all are missing the point. The OP is not, initially, carrying the pistol for personal protection--he's carrying it to get used to carrying a pistol. Once he feels comfortable doing so, as he stated, he will begin carrying for personal protection with one in the pipe. I think most here can appreciate what it feels like carrying the first time (or few times); I'm printing, everyone knows, it's going to go bang for no reason, etc... While the points made here are valid and very real in terms of carrying empty for self defense, that's not his goal at this point. Get off his ass.

I don't think anyone is riding his ass about this. It seems like people are trying to be helpfully.

The issue I see with carrying a firearm in a less than loaded condition, or, as another poster stated, without the will to use it, is that you run the risk of becoming a re-supply station for a perpetrator. We do not carry firearms
in a vacuum. How we carry could well affect the outcomes for other involved parties as well. I don't like to see bad guys becoming better armed at the cost of PTC carriers.

But, to each their own.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby tazdevil on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:45 am

Fyrwys wrote:
sgruenhagen44 wrote:...I guess I fail to see one advantage of carrying a weapon that is not fully loaded. Enlighten me please...


I will...
I think you all are missing the point. The OP is not, initially, carrying the pistol for personal protection--he's carrying it to get used to carrying a pistol. Once he feels comfortable doing so, as he stated, he will begin carrying for personal protection with one in the pipe. I think most here can appreciate what it feels like carrying the first time (or few times); I'm printing, everyone knows, it's going to go bang for no reason, etc... While the points made here are valid and very real in terms of carrying empty for self defense, that's not his goal at this point. Get off his ass.


Heh, haven't been here very long have you? This is NOWHERE close to a flamefest, he has received much advice and the pros/cons of each method of carrying, to which he can decide for himself which way he prefers. Everyone has only stated the way they prefer to do it, and why. No one missed the point, they simply gave advice that he asked for by starting this thread.

So relax, have fun and read on.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Fyrwys on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:00 am

This isn't arfcom; I have been here longer than you, and I'm well aware of the tendencies here regarding flaming and other attacks.

With that said, I will recant: Get off his ass. It wasn't meant to come across as belligerent, I am relaxed. Nonetheless, I still think the point was missed. As I said, I agree with the cons stated (and agree with you that he received valid advice) for the purpsoe of personal protection. But that's not his stated purpose.

(Edited for spelling (both times, same damn word).)
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Re: new to carrying

Postby igofast on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:02 am

sgruenhagen44 wrote:You might as well carry an empty gun. After you rack that slide, you're probably dead anyway. Most gun fights only last around three seconds. You better find a nice metal framed gun that will be able to take a beating, or a night stick!


It's certainly possible to draw, rack, and fire in under 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syAReiTd9jg

However, the demonstrator is obviously well trained. Regardless, I will take that .75 second's in my favor.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby plblark on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:04 am

Sure, under controlled conditions without adrenaline dump and / or Mr. Murphy coming to play...
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Re: new to carrying

Postby tman on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:37 am

To the OP.

Carry as much as you dare til you get used to it. At home, if your're dressed, keep your pistol on your belt.


When you're comfortable, put one in the chamber and leave it there.

Don't listen to all the whining other stuff here. There can be a lot of it.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby plblark on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:44 am

tman wrote:To the OP.

Carry as much as you dare til you get used to it. At home, if your're dressed, keep your pistol on your belt.


When you're comfortable, put one in the chamber and leave it there.

That bears repeating.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Wodtke19 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:50 am

As someone stated I am only carrying around my house empty chambered right now to get use to the weight and feel of having it on me. As soon as I feel comfortable I will rack one in and bring it pretty much everywhere I go. I dont see any of this advice as being negative or flaming. Every one is entitled to there own opinion in my book. But once again thank you guys for the advice and helping me out.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Seismic Sam on Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:01 pm

oneunder wrote:I carried for a while without one chambered. Then I ran across this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMbIC0RPBRs&feature=plcp

He makes some good points. Whether you like him or not is a different story. Congrats on the permit!


Excellent video!!

However, I'm still going to stick my head out from under my bridge and ask "Why are you carrying if you don't have 100% confidence in the gun you're using, and possibly 100% confidence that you can/will use it if you have to??"

Nervous about people seeing the gun is normal, and quickly goes away. But you need to be honest with yourself about WHY you don't want to carry with the gun completely ready, and where this nervousness is really coming from. And quite frankly, being nervous about people seeing the gun has NOTHING to do with whether it's unloaded, loaded with an empty chamber, or cocked and locked. So spend some time figuring this out, and from the comment that you only got about three minutes range time DOES make me wonder who your instructor was, (and I can guess, too...), and it's abuntantly clear that you need to spend HOURS shooting HUNDREDS of rounds of ammo at the range to get completely familiar with the gun. PTC courses are instruction, and instruction only, and even the best PTC with the most range time doesn't even to BEGIN to be a substitute for getting confidence in your gun and your own ability to use it without even thinking about it, which is what's really necessary if you're going to carry.
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Re: new to carrying

Postby XDM45 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:02 pm

Wodtke19 wrote:As someone stated I am only carrying around my house empty chambered right now to get use to the weight and feel of having it on me. As soon as I feel comfortable I will rack one in and bring it pretty much everywhere I go. I dont see any of this advice as being negative or flaming. Every one is entitled to there own opinion in my book. But once again thank you guys for the advice and helping me out.


I agree wit hthat plan, and as a new PTC holder myself, that's my own plan when at home.

Now to the others, I have a question...........

I know that you shouldn't keep re-chambering the same round over and over, so what do you do when you need to change out your hollowpoint defense ammo from the chamber to target ammo for the range? Right now I only have 20 hollowpoints and eventually they would all get cycled more than a few times, which isn't a good idea since it affects the ammo, correct? Maybe you get away from that issue with 9mm and other caliber types, but from what I've been told with the .45ACP, it's not a good idea to do that, so what do you suggest I do since I don't want to comprimise the ammo's stability?

Also, how often do you need to clean an EDC?
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Re: new to carrying

Postby Ivan45 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:06 pm

Shoot what you carry, and clean off the fuzz every week or two :-)

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Re: new to carrying

Postby gunforhire on Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:06 pm

I have the same question on the ammo cycling. I can tell you I give my EDC gun a "shave" every few weeks to a month depending on the epic dust bunny beard it has. Kinda sad, Glock wears a beard well ;)
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