Problems with armslist denizen

[grousemaster]

Acting indignant and entitled that I wouldn't sell him my property is pretty idiotic in my book. I think he also displayed shady behavior as well.

When did he do this? What did the "idiot" say when he called you?

Go with your gut, I just didn't personally see the "red flags" in this thread.

[TommyMN]

I don't participate in purchases that I know one guy is just hand it to his buddy. Just kinda weirds me out.

[whiteox]

I came to post the link and came across this thread. The thought that I could sell a gun to a guy like this got me wondering about what future precautions I would take in a private sale. Typically I just ask to see a permit and ID and leave it at that. A MNCIS search only takes a couple minutes. If it gives a little extra peace of mind that I've really done my due diligence to make sure I'm not about to sell a gun to a guy who was just handed a restraining order maybe there's something to that?

Am I being paranoid? Would you give your full name and birth date to a seller before a meeting?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/justice/wisconsin-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx

[Holland&Holland]

Simple solution here, don't sell guns. Buy 'em and keep 'em.

Otherwise be prepared to deal with... gasp... customers and all that that entails.

[jspace]

It's this line that jumps out to me:

(Re: ) Oh. Well ill have my friend get it. He has all permts.

I think that's where people are getting "straw sale" from.

[Thunder71]

Walk.


Tapatalk - Helping people post from bathrooms since 2009.

[45Badger]

I came to post the link and came across this thread. The thought that I could sell a gun to a guy like this got me wondering about what future precautions I would take in a private sale. Typically I just ask to see a permit and ID and leave it at that. A MNCIS search only takes a couple minutes. If it gives a little extra peace of mind that I've really done my due diligence to make sure I'm not about to sell a gun to a guy who was just handed a restraining order maybe there's something to that?

Am I being paranoid? Would you give your full name and birth date to a seller before a meeting?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/justice/wisconsin-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx

Yes you are being paranoid. I ask to see MN license, show mine, ask if there is anything that prohibits them from legally taking possession of the gun, take the cash, move on. That's all I ask and that's all I am willing to provide.

[grousemaster]

It's this line that jumps out to me:

(Re: ) Oh. Well ill have my friend get it. He has all permts.

I think that's where people are getting "straw sale" from.

No such thing as a straw sale between private parties.

[Rem700]

Isnt there something in the law about private sales and makeing reasonable certain the seller isnt a felon or such.

[ex-LT]

Isnt there something in the law about private sales and makeing reasonable certain the seller isnt a felon or such.

Not sure about making sure the seller isn't a felon... The closest thing I could find is 624.7141...

A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who intentionally transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another if the person knows that the transferee:

(1) has been denied a permit to carry under section 624.714 because the transferee is not eligible under section 624.713 to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon;

(2) has been found ineligible to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon by a chief of police or sheriff as a result of an application for a transferee permit or a transfer report; or

(3) is disqualified under section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon.

[45Badger]

I repeat-

I ask to see MN license, show mine, ask if there is anything that prohibits them from legally taking possession of the gun, take the cash, move on.

It's that simple and that legal. Don't let the bliss-ninnies (antis, FUDs, or the helpful clueless) bamboozle or con you into believing or acting otherwise. Word.

[TommyMN]

If you don't feel right. Walk away. The stress isn't worth it. All legality aside.

[911scanner]

Seeing this:


Gives a seller in Minnesota a reasonable defense in regards to this:

A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who intentionally transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another if the person knows that the transferee:

(1) has been denied a permit to carry under section 624.714 because the transferee is not eligible under section 624.713 to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon;

(2) has been found ineligible to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon by a chief of police or sheriff as a result of an application for a transferee permit or a transfer report; or

(3) is disqualified under section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon.

[45Badger]

Seeing this:


Gives a seller in Minnesota a reasonable defense in regards to this:

A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who intentionally transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another if the person knows that the transferee:

(1) has been denied a permit to carry under section 624.714 because the transferee is not eligible under section 624.713 to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon;

(2) has been found ineligible to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon by a chief of police or sheriff as a result of an application for a transferee permit or a transfer report; or

(3) is disqualified under section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon.

Unnecessary. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution to prove "intentionally". And above totally omits any mention of non "assault weapon" long guns. Not gonna sell a shotgun or deer rifle to a dude who doesn't give a damn about handguns or "assault weapons"? Didn't have the time to waste to fill out some silly and unnecessary by law state form and wait a couple weeks? Really?

When was the last time a normal (non druggie, non-home-boy-gang-banger, non-skinhead, non-I'm selling this gun to you so you can shoot your/my wife, I hope you're getting my point) was prosecuted (successfully or not) for making a personal sale to a buyer who claimed they were not prohibited (and the seller had no direct knowledge to the contrary)? Really?

Don't be *****-bliss-ninny-whipped on this folks. It's the same as selling a car or a used canoe.

[tman]

When was the last time a normal (non druggie, non-home-boy-gang-banger, non-skinhead, non-I'm selling this gun to you so you can shoot your/my wife, I hope you're getting my point) was prosecuted (successfully or not) for making a personal sale to a buyer who claimed they were not prohibited (and the seller had no direct knowledge to the contrary)? Really?

Don't be *****-bliss-ninny-whipped on this folks. It's the same as selling a car or a used canoe.

It wouldn't matter to me if I were prosecuted or not. I'd feel like ****, especially if it were preventable. And, if YOU sold THIS gun, I hope you can withstand the onslaught of civil lawsuits that are about to rain down on you. AND the gnawing of your conscience..

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iNM5Yog3SVoarJN0IrsOH7aizEzQ?docId=adc2e65a7ee043feb2c44ea248350cbe

Radcliffe Haughton, 45, bought a handgun just two days after his beleaguered wife obtained a restraining order against him. He used that weapon to kill her and two other women Sunday at the spa where she worked, before fatally shooting himself.
...
Radcliffe Haughton's wife, Zina, secured the four-year restraining order against him on Thursday, at which point he was ordered to hand over all of his firearms to a county sheriff.