OGC

[sawgrass]

Who is running for president and why do you believe that he was hand picked? Who picked him?

[bstrawse]

Who is running for President? And is the current President seeking re-election?

B

[ttousi]

FWIW.........hammar is on target with his comments and analysis

and

The current president is not running

The handpick will likely be a current board member (bad for the club)

I understand there is non board member that will probably seek the office and announce in the near future. (good for the club)

BTW the pressure to move me out has been on all summer.......I'm too stubborn to cave..........

[Seismic Sam]

Oh, and the 1/2 million dollar "improvement project" will really get you up in arms, and it's already past the talking stage. Six grand has been spent on permits from Lake Elmo to build 12' high concrete walls down the sides of every range for NOISE ABATEMENT, with no proof that this will actually work at all. Sound reflecting off the current berms and tress will get broken up and dissipated to some extent, while a solid concrete wall will reflect every last decibel of sound up and out of the range, and probably make it noiser for the neighbors and also the people on the range. And just as a footnote, I spent 6 years in the Sound and Vibration Damping products group in 3M. Can you imagine the 100 with all benches full (like it will be tomorrow) with all that noise reflecting off of 100 yard long concrete walls?? Plus the $500K price tag for this boondoggle will leave the club $200K in the red, which will have to be covered by a loan that will leave the club vulnerable to unforseen things in the future, like Obama getting re-elected and going after his TRUE anti-gun agenda because he doesn't have to worry about getting elected agin. Once again: $500K spending on concrete walls that "should" abate the noise on the range, with no assurance that it will work. In my mind, this is just as bogus as the "rubber block backstop FUBAR", where we spent a lot of money on big rubber blocks from somebody, only to discover that the bullets were tearing the blocks apart fairly quickly, (who could have predicted that??) and once the blocks were filled with lead, they were hazardous materials and required special disposal.

[sawgrass]

I spent a lot of time at the club over the summer either gardening or shooting or both. It seems like there were constant IT issues.
Strong evidence in how many emails came out trying to correct and re-correct the log in issue.
I suspect that the IF in "IF, you know what you are doing", might be the operative word in hammar's post.

My service hours were anywhere from the early am to the late pm and well over what is required. There was rarely a time that Tom wasn't there.
He has demonstrated the necessary skill set to be General Manager and he cares about the club. So IMO, he is doing a great job!

OGC is a nice place to shoot and there is a wealth of info amongst the members, who like most gun people enjoy talking about it and sharing their knowledge.
It will be nice when things settle down/restructure or whatever is necessary to continue the success of the club.

[rugersol]

Oh, and the 1/2 million dollar "improvement project" will really get you up in arms

I made the comment a few weeks ago ... to 'nother member ... what if we had spent that money to purchase the land across the street?! ... or to the west?! ... I dunno what their price might've been ... but I'll bet $500,000 woulda taken a good chunk outta it!

Someday, someone ELSE is gonna buy those properties ... ya think we got noise issues, now?!

... which, I've never been convinced that we've EVER had! Frankly, I've never met a director that couldn't drum up a good demon 'er two, to piss away money on, and create yet another PITA! If I were king, first thing I'd do is tear down them ****in' chunks of plastic hangin' on all the ranges! ... throw 'em on the pile with them rubber blocks!!!

Now they wanna spend several thousand on a new "server"?! ... fer what?! WTF kinda website does a gun club need?! $5/mo fer hosting ... Google calendar, free!

[Seismic Sam]

Oh, and to provide some concrete proof about how you go about soundproofing something, 3M had a room like this decades ago, and the walls, ceiling, and FLOOR were covered by these wedges. The wedges on the floor precluded walking on them, so the actaul surface for people to move about the room was a very spooky floor made out of piano wire strung like a big screen about 5 feet above the wedges. If someone turned away from you, you could not even tell they were talking, much less make out what they said. It cost a fortune to build this facility. There was a second room, which was the opposite of the quiet room. It was considerably cheaper, and just a room with cast concrete walls, ceiling, floor, had a steel door, and also had some sheets of corrugated steel roofing hanging inside the room at odd angles. So the OGC project will be copying the 3M noise chamber very closely, and have nothing in common with the sound damping technology used in quiet rooms.

Here's the actual chamber, with the Saint Olaf choir doing a one-of-a-kind recording of a musical selection with no reflected sound in the recording, so you got the pure sound of them singing with no other background harmonics. Like I said, the floor in this place was very spooky to walk on.

[bstrawse]

Oh, and the 1/2 million dollar "improvement project" will really get you up in arms

I made the comment a few weeks ago ... to 'nother member ... what if we had spent that money to purchase the land across the street?! ... or to the west?! ... I dunno what their price might've been ... but I'll bet $500,000 woulda taken a good chunk outta it!

Someday, someone ELSE is gonna buy those properties ... ya think we got noise issues, now?!

... which, I've never been convinced that we've EVER had! Frankly, I've never met a director that couldn't drum up a good demon 'er two, to piss away money on, and create yet another PITA! If I were king, first thing I'd do is tear down them ****in' chunks of plastic hangin' on all the ranges! ... throw 'em on the pile with them rubber blocks!!!

Now they wanna spend several thousand on a new "server"?! ... fer what?! WTF kinda website does a gun club need?! $5/mo fer hosting ... Google calendar, free!

The server was for the accounting - not for the website.

Quality hosting costs more than $5/month - and if we want a website to automate things like range duty, etc... then you have to pay some costs to someone who knows how to actually do that stuff.

Trust me here, I'm no fan of how some things have been run - but some things do cost a reasonable amount of money to get them to work the right way.

B

[rugersol]

Oh, and the 1/2 million dollar "improvement project" will really get you up in arms

I made the comment a few weeks ago ... to 'nother member ... what if we had spent that money to purchase the land across the street?! ... or to the west?! ... I dunno what their price might've been ... but I'll bet $500,000 woulda taken a good chunk outta it!

Someday, someone ELSE is gonna buy those properties ... ya think we got noise issues, now?!

... which, I've never been convinced that we've EVER had! Frankly, I've never met a director that couldn't drum up a good demon 'er two, to piss away money on, and create yet another PITA! If I were king, first thing I'd do is tear down them ****in' chunks of plastic hangin' on all the ranges! ... throw 'em on the pile with them rubber blocks!!!

Now they wanna spend several thousand on a new "server"?! ... fer what?! WTF kinda website does a gun club need?! $5/mo fer hosting ... Google calendar, free!

The server was for the accounting - not for the website.

Quality hosting costs more than $5/month - and if we want a website to automate things like range duty, etc... then you have to pay some costs to someone who knows how to actually do that stuff.

Trust me here, I'm no fan of how some things have been run - but some things do cost a reasonable amount of money to get them to work the right way.

Trust me here, I didn't jest fall off the banana boat!

OGC don't need a computerized accounting system ... got along fine, fer years, without it!

Like I said 'fore, Dick's .php stuff was fine! No ... it didn't amaze the kids! ... but it was simple ... and it WORKED!!!!

They've been pissin' away money, and doin' little more than bitching about how none of it works!

I've cleaned up after dozens of clowns who SAID they could do something!

Ya ... the $5/mo is fer the first year ... then it goes up to like $7/mo!

It's like someone's tryin' to turn the clubhouse into a Walmart ... and then they "need" all the ancillary systems, to make it work!

Did someone forget?! ... we jest wanna fill a berm with lead!

[hammAR]

..........and if we want a website to automate things like range duty, etc... then you have to pay some costs to someone who knows how to actually do that stuff.

Trust me here, I'm no fan of how some things have been run - but some things do cost a reasonable amount of money to get them to work the right way.

B

This was all set up and done - through a secured VM service including automated scheduling, etc.....however, it was all undone with the current regime on the advice of a propeller-headed, game playing, wannabe techie......with a $5/mo fer hosting ... Google calendar, free kind of attitude.......why do you think that several (IT professionals) resigned including an extremely qualified and certified IT Security director....

it ALL worked and now most of it doesn't...beating a dead horse...

[rugersol]

propeller-headed, game playing, wannabe techie......with a $5/mo fer hosting ... Google calendar, free kind of attitude.......

[ttousi]

The 2k went to 4k and is already installed in the range house.

IT did the wiring of a new circuit..........hint... unsafe, illegal, done at night, NO PERMIT..........corrected at night after it was reported. The board has taken no action (to my knowledge 2 weeks later) to follow the electrical inspectors directives as reported to them via me.

This shows the hole drilled thru the main distribution panel directly into the wall cavity...........no bushing , no conduit, etc

[sawgrass]

Any chance the insurance agent is a reader of MNGT? Ouch.

It's ridiculously irresponsible for a business to allow such non-sense as trade work without a permit.
It is even more irresponsible for some idiot to perform that kind of work pretending to know what he is doing.
L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y

[Heffay]

Woah, hammAR is back??

My dad and I were talking about OGC on the way to deer hunting today. He wants to join but doesn't want the mandatory NRA membership. I also summed up some of the issues posted in this thread which made him nervous. But he still wants to join IF he doesn't have to get the membership.

Is this possible? Or does the NRA provide a kickback to someone to make it a requirement to join? Or is there some other reason?

[xd ED]

Woah, hammAR is back??

My dad and I were talking about OGC on the way to deer hunting today. He wants to join but doesn't want the mandatory NRA membership. I also summed up some of the issues posted in this thread which made him nervous. But he still wants to join IF he doesn't have to get the membership.

Is this possible? Or does the NRA provide a kickback to someone to make it a requirement to join? Or is there some other reason?

I think there is NRA support/ funding available to ranges with 100% NRA membership.
I am pretty sure NRA membership is a prerequisite.
Also, there is about a 2 yr waiting list at Oakdale.
And even with all that is going on, it is still a good place to shoot.