Gun Free School Zones....

[smokintone]

Costly? Not justified? Sorry, my kids are worth any amount of money it world take to keep them safe. Call me crazy!

[mrp]

Costly? Not justified? Sorry, my kids are worth any amount of money it world take to keep them safe. Call me crazy!

Ok, you're crazy. But you're not crazy because you actually think your kid's safety is worth any amount of money - you're crazy because you say you believe it, but with even the tiniest amount of reflection you'd realize you do not act as if you believe it.

If you actually do expend 100% of your time and resources towards ensuring the maximum safety for your children then you're doing them tremendous damage. The fact that you've taken time to post here instead of patrolling the perimeter of your compound proves that it isn't the case, and gives me hope for your and your kid's sanity.

[smokintone]

WOW.

[smokintone]

Do you have kids?

[smokintone]

Costly? Not justified? Sorry, my kids are worth any amount of money it world take to keep them safe. Call me crazy!

Ok, you're crazy. But you're not crazy because you actually think your kid's safety is worth any amount of money - you're crazy because you say you believe it, but with even the tiniest amount of reflection you'd realize you do not act as if you believe it.

If you actually do expend 100% of your time and resources towards ensuring the maximum safety for your children then you're doing them tremendous damage. The fact that you've taken time to post here instead of patrolling the perimeter of your compound proves that it isn't the case, and gives me hope for your and your kid's sanity.

This is the most ridiculous statement I have heard since.........well, since the last time I was on this forum. Go figure.

[Ron Burgundy]

This is not the time or place to be bringing this up.

Pink Pony FTW.

[jgalt]

Costly? Not justified? Sorry, my kids are worth any amount of money it world take to keep them safe. Call me crazy!

You're welcome to spend as much of your time & money as you'd like on that goal - you aren't welcome to claim more of my money to do so...

[smokintone]

Money is more important then your kids? It's a sad F'ing world we live in. Sickening.

[One Man Wolf Pack]

1 paid armed security guard as a deterrent or one staff member of the school (former military) with access to his firearm when the shtf would be enough at each school to make an idiot think twice.

Once confronted the shooter wold have been eliminated, forced to stop what he was doing thus giving others time to escape, given up, or offed himself.

What we'll have is the left calling for all ARs and magazines to be banned. Obama eluded to it 3 times in his speech.

I think this is the public reaction they were looking for with fast and furious to get the public behind destroying 2nd ammendment rights. Not that the planned it but as Emmanuel says "never let a crisis go to waste".

We'll either get our gun rights eroded or get TSA in schools. Buy what you want now. Going to be a long time before sanity an constitutional laws are the law of the land.

[jgalt]

Money is more important then your kids? It's a sad F'ing world we live in. Sickening.

Try reading what you are responding to before engaging your keyboard...

My money is more important to me and my family than is your - or anyone else's - family, yes.

Your original statement was that your kids are worth any amount of money - I said that's fine by me, so long as you are talking about your own money and not anyone else's.

If wanting to use the proceeds from my labor to ensure me & mine are supported, then giving away some portion that we can afford as charity to those causes we believe in & support is sickening to you, I'm OK with that...

[sansooshooter]

THE Government should be talking about hardening school against easy access so lunatics cant kill innocent children. Our current security is to lock down a school and wait for enough police to arrive.
Then a methodical sweep. The people inside the school can only hope and pray that the shooter passes them by. They are completely unprotected.
We need to control access to the schools and have some teachers trained in firearms and tactical shooting.

While this is a tragedy for the school, the town, and other people directly impacted by this event, it is an isolated incident which hardly justifies a call for the government to step in to harden schools. There were 50 million school-aged kids in the United States that were not affected by this event today and they will almost certainly never be affected by any similar event in the future. So, yes, do what's easy and cheap and effective, but the last thing we need is more TSA-style security theater.
I said some teachers trained in shooting and limit access to the schools. That is hardly the TSA.

Unfortunately that wont happen . Instead we will lose more of our rights to defend ourselves and other innocent people. I have 2 kids in school right now and I know the security for schools is non existent. All you have to do is sign in and you get a little green sticker and you can walk the school at will.

I have signed in many times as Adolf Hitler . Mao or Stalin. Also have signed in as Ringo Star/ Jimi Hendrix/ Peter Frampton. And of course as Milhouse Nixon.
Never once has anybody looked at the name I signed in as.

And if they had looked, and you were armed and intent on killing a bunch of people in the school, would you turn around and leave when asked about your name? Setting up any sort of REAL security would be costly, and almost certainly not justified. But even if it were, that's something I'd rather see left to the individual school districts to address rather than have the Feds get involved.
Nice try at twisting my point. The point is they have no way of stopping anybody from entering a school now!]you sign in? I have a "Visitor" button that I just keep with me. I'll sign in when I'm there to volunteer since they like to track volunteer hours, but that's about it.

[mrp]

Do you have kids?

You bet.

I spend thousands of dollars every year on things which do not serve to maximize their safety. In fact, I spend thousands of dollars every year so that they can have and do things which are much more dangerous than sitting at home in a safe room in the basement. I encourage them to enjoy life and intelligently manage risk, rather than seek to eliminate it.

They climb trees. They jump on trampolines. They play contact sports and split wood and go sledding and have sleepovers at their friends' houses. They ride their bikes to the pool. They grab the canoe and kayak and spend the day on the river. They go hiking in the mountains. (I do not even rope them in and set belay points every 5 meters.) They fly to visit grandparents. They tour with their choirs. They use power tools. They eat whole grapes. Do your children do none of these things?

I don't do everything I could possibly do or spend every penny I could possibly spend to maximize their safety. In fact, I sometimes spend hours at a time not maximizing my children's safety. I'll read a book or go for a walk or play cards or help with homework or waste time arguing on the internet instead of earning an extra $100 which I could use to pay someone to get up at 4am and scout my children's route to school for potential road hazards.

You don't do everything you can to minimize your children's exposure to risk either. None of us do, and that's not a bad thing.

[Heffay]

I spend thousands of dollars every year on things which do not serve to maximize their safety. In fact, I spend thousands of dollars every year so that they can have and do things which are much more dangerous than sitting at home in a safe room in the basement. I encourage them to enjoy life and intelligently manage risk, rather than seek to eliminate it.

They climb trees. They jump on trampolines. They play contact sports and split wood and go sledding and have sleepovers at their friends' houses. They ride their bikes to the pool. They grab the canoe and kayak and spend the day on the river. They go hiking in the mountains. (I do not even rope them in and set belay points every 5 meters.) They fly to visit grandparents. They tour with their choirs. They use power tools. They eat whole grapes. Do your children do none of these things?

I don't do everything I could possibly do or spend every penny I could possibly spend to maximize their safety. In fact, I sometimes spend hours at a time not maximizing my children's safety. I'll read a book or go for a walk or play cards or help with homework or waste time arguing on the internet instead of earning an extra $100 which I could use to pay someone to get up at 4am and scout my children's route to school for potential road hazards.

You don't do everything you can to minimize your children's exposure to risk either. None of us do, and that's not a bad thing.

[tman]

1 paid armed security guard as a deterrent or one staff member of the school (former military) with access to his firearm when the shtf would be enough at each school to make an idiot think twice.

Once confronted the shooter wold have been eliminated, forced to stop what he was doing thus giving others time to escape, given up, or offed himself.

What we'll have is the left calling for all ARs and magazines to be banned. Obama eluded to it 3 times in his speech.

I think this is the public reaction they were looking for with fast and furious to get the public behind destroying 2nd ammendment rights. Not that the planned it but as Emmanuel says "never let a crisis go to waste".

We'll either get our gun rights eroded or get TSA in schools. Buy what you want now. Going to be a long time before sanity an constitutional laws are the law of the land.

Still think it's time to keep our collective mouths shut and let the anti's have the entire stage?

[smokintone]

My money is more important to me and my family than is your - or anyone else's - family, yes.

Your original statement was that your kids are worth any amount of money - I said that's fine by me, so long as you are talking about your own money and not anyone else's

Selfish much? I guess that's the difference between people like myself and people like you. I would't mind giving a little more to help ALL kids, if it meant they would be safer. I'm not thinking in terms of just myself. You need to go beyond yourself sometimes for the greater good of everybody.

I'll leave it at that, because I obviously won't change your mind, and vice versa.