Gun Free School Zones....

[CraigJS]

So much BS being thrown around on this board, so much in the media.. There is NO single answer to this problem.
Friends that "didn't believe he would do it".
Shrinks that know these people have evil designs in thier heads, but can't violate thier silence code with thier patient..
Social media bloggers..
Parents that refuse to believe the signs, or put enough effort into being a parent to see problems..
What is the answer?


To broadcast media this is for you:
You blood sucking parasites, you can't wait for the next piece of news (accurate or not) to try and score a "scoop" on the other orgs.
You S*Bs . Go float your boat somewhere else, NOT ON THE BLOOD OF THESE CHILDERN!
Heather Martin perhaps you can get the facts correct here?? nah..

[JJ]

What is so concerning for me is how easily the Fudds are willing to sell out all gun owners after a little anti gun pressure. I look at my FB feeds, and see all sorts of self proclaimed "responsible gun owners" using this tragedy to call for AW bans. Because you know, "AW's are not the choice of responsible hunters".

The behavior and emotion of all too many on both sides is just sickening.

[jgalt]

My money is more important to me and my family than is your - or anyone else's - family, yes.

Your original statement was that your kids are worth any amount of money - I said that's fine by me, so long as you are talking about your own money and not anyone else's

Selfish much? I guess that's the difference between people like myself and people like you. I would't mind giving a little more to help ALL kids, if it meant they would be safer.

Taking care of yourself first, so that you then have the ability to help others, is not "selfish" - it's rational. I didn't once say that I have a problem giving to help others. The objection is to the forced "giving" of an unlimited amount, to attempt to achieve an unachievable goal, that your original statement implied.

I'm not thinking in terms of just myself. You need to go beyond yourself sometimes for the greater good of everybody.

What the heck do you think charity is...???

[XDM45]

My .002 worth.......

My money is more important to me and my family than is your - or anyone else's - family, yes.

@smokintone

I think what jgalt here is saying here is not that money matters more than people; but rather that his his money doesn't matter more to anyone than it does to himself and his family. Nothing wrong with that. What makes more difference to each of us? The $100 in your pocket or the $100 in mine? Of course what matters to us most is the $100 in our own pocket versus the $100 in the next guy's pocket. Same thing is true of any "thing" we have.

What is selfish and greedy is when we think the other guy's $100 is also ours and that we should be able to tell him how to spend it, or we try and take it or other things from him for our own purposes.

Money doesn't matter more than people, and if someone thinks it does, they are confused in my opinion.

@everyone (for the rest of my post)

Taking care of yourself first, so that you then have the ability to help others, is not "selfish" - it's rational.

Exactly.

I didn't once say that I have a problem giving to help others.

Same here. I do give as well.

The objection is to the forced "giving" of an unlimited amount, to attempt to achieve an unachievable goal, that your original statement implied.

Sounds like taxes and government spending

I'm not thinking in terms of just myself. You need to go beyond yourself sometimes for the greater good of everybody.

What the heck do you think charity is...???

Well, charities are supposed to help, but when I had cancer, no one gave me money or helped with my living expenses. Charities also have overhead and some of them much more so than others, which means most of your money goes to them, not the cause, not the people you're trying to help. So if someone chooses to give cash, do the research ahead of time.

My personal policy is that I'll donate clothes to charities, items, things, but not cash.

[smokintone]

My point is this. I would be willing to give more of MY money to help ensure our Schools could get better security. Either hardened security or armed, or a combo of both, not only for MY kids, but also for the betterment of everybody else's kids as well.

Seems others here would not be willing to do that, and I find that to be sad.

[XDM45]

My point is this. I would be willing to give more of MY money to help ensure our Schools could get better security. Either hardened security or armed, or a combo of both, not only for MY kids, but also for the betterment of everybody else's kids as well.

Seems others here would not be willing to do that, and I find that to be sad.

Do with your money as you will, as should everyone do the same.

[jgalt]

My point is this. I would be willing to give more of MY money to help ensure our Schools could get better security. Either hardened security or armed, or a combo of both, not only for MY kids, but also for the betterment of everybody else's kids as well.

Seems others here would not be willing to do that, and I find that to be sad.

Huh. I didn't see anyone say that in this thread, but maybe you're seeing it in others...

[XDM45]

My point is this. I would be willing to give more of MY money to help ensure our Schools could get better security. Either hardened security or armed, or a combo of both, not only for MY kids, but also for the betterment of everybody else's kids as well.

Seems others here would not be willing to do that, and I find that to be sad.

Huh. I didn't see anyone say that in this thread, but maybe you're seeing it in others...

Jgalt, It's rather common around here for people to not actually read and understand the words you write; but rather read things they think you wrote - and then call you out for it or otherwise make assumptions.

I certainly didn't see anyone saying they wouldn't be willing to help either.

[mmhoium]

What is so concerning for me is how easily the Fudds are willing to sell out all gun owners after a little anti gun pressure. I look at my FB feeds, and see all sorts of self proclaimed "responsible gun owners" using this tragedy to call for AW bans. Because you know, "AW's are not the choice of responsible hunters".

The behavior and emotion of all too many on both sides is just sickening.

Some gun owners selling out others is the frightening future I think. The sad part is that those people honestly believe that the anti-gun people will be content just banning so called "assault weapons" and normal capacity mags. I don't own an AR-15, an SBR, or a suppressor but I will ALWAYS support peoples right to those items. Because if those disappear, my handguns, semi-auto rifles, bolt actions, lever actions, pumps, etc will all be next. As gun owners we give up NO ground. Period. It is so important to squash inaccuracies immediately.

[xd ED]

Feeding others to the alligator only means you'll be the last one eaten.
And while I'm no big participant in Facebook, or similar sites, I suspect some of those fudd sentiments might well be Trojan horses, or whatever the pop terminology is for someone misrepresenting themselves on the interwebses. It would be useful stategery for those who wish only to apply...common sense measures Not that I disagree the fudds are out there.

[Gun Mouse]

My heart and deepest sympathy goes to the family's and friends. My opinion.. we aren't going to be able to stop bad people who come across guns and use them for wrong. However, now that we have seen this take place in several schools. We can act in a positive manner. What I'm going to say won't be fun for the kids or teachers but its time for medal detectors and off duty police. Their should be Security in the schools that roam and do random locker checks. I know... who is going to pay for this. My guess is the poor family's that are grieving right now. There is way to much going on in the schools now and it needs to stop. My guess is if my child was attending a school and they said they are going to put something like this in place and we will have to pay a little extra. I would do it cause funerals cost a lot..plus grieving..plus friends and having your whole life change. There isn't a amount I wouldn't pay to keep my child safe. I'm not saying bad things still cant happen. But Officer presents makes a difference, As parents we don't make our children scared of this, We tell them it is there because we love them. Remember.. the old days officer friendly as a child. Just my thoughts.

[smokintone]

You're welcome to spend as much of your time & money as you'd like on that goal - you aren't welcome to claim more of my money to do so...

So is He saying He would be willing to spend some of HIS money on helping people other then himself? Sure doesn't seem that way to me.

[smokintone]

My point is this. I would be willing to give more of MY money to help ensure our Schools could get better security. Either hardened security or armed, or a combo of both, not only for MY kids, but also for the betterment of everybody else's kids as well.

Seems others here would not be willing to do that, and I find that to be sad.

Huh. I didn't see anyone say that in this thread, but maybe you're seeing it in others...

Jgalt, It's rather common around here for people to not actually read and understand the words you write; but rather read things they think you wrote - and then call you out for it or otherwise make assumptions.

I certainly didn't see anyone saying they wouldn't be willing to help either.

Really?

[jgalt]

You're welcome to spend as much of your time & money as you'd like on that goal - you aren't welcome to claim more of my money to do so...

So is He saying He would be willing to spend some of HIS money on helping people other then himself? Sure doesn't seem that way to me.

I assume the use of the word "claim" is confusing you. I have faith that you'll figure out the meaning of that word in context if you want too...

Hint - it isn't what you seem to think it is...

[smokintone]

Ok, well lets just make this clear and simple.

I would be willing to give up some extra money, either in taxes or whatever, in order to help fund better security in our Schools, even if I didn't currently have kids in School.

Would you do the same?