Gun Free School Zones....

[One Man Wolf Pack]

Ok, well lets just make this clear and simple.

I would be willing to give up some extra money, either in taxes or whatever, in order to help fund better security in our Schools, even if I didn't currently have kids in School.

Would you do the same?

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washi ... ty-failure

We already had. Your dear leader let it lapse.

My solution is have either a security officer/volunteer or train a teacher who would have immediate access to a firearm if tshtf. If principle had access to a gun as soon as dip wad was smashing the window to get in she could of made a stand and saved many lives.

Or we can live in the world of sunshine and rainbows and think that we just need to throw money at the problem so we can feel safe. How's that tsa working for ya?

[TTS]

This is the problem with tying to have a discussion with people in the Internet, if you don't write a 10,000 word thesis on your topic, everyone argues with the minutiae.

The guy was trying to say that we need to do a better job of protecting our kids in school. That's all!


Then like a pack of wolves you sweep down acting like he is an Obama supporting, socialist who wants to have a three way with Stalin, Mao and Che!

Its really sad how we treat our own

[mc762x54R]

we need to let (and encourage) teachers to carry in school.

negative response 1: we dont want more guns around our kids.
Then why are the police called when there is a shooter? No one ever calls lawmakers..or politicians...they call someone else who has guns

Negative #2: What if the teacher has a bad day?
We trust airline pilots not to nose dive the planes we are on into the ground....truck drivers not to smash us head on if they're pissed off...cops not to shoot us for no reason
At some point we need to be able to trust our fellow man....

It sickens me that these teachers and school personal could only charge an armed perp knowing they would get killed...knowing that what they were doing would probably not even stop him.

An armed teacher laying in wait for this guy still might have gotten killed....OR he/she may have known the perfect place to hide to get just enough advantage to drop this guy before he knew what hit him

[XDM45]

This is the problem with tying to have a discussion with people in the Internet, if you don't write a 10,000 word thesis on your topic, everyone argues with the minutiae.

The guy was trying to say that we need to do a better job of protecting our kids in school. That's all!


Then like a pack of wolves you sweep down acting like he is an Obama supporting, socialist who wants to have a three way with Stalin, Mao and Che!

Its really sad how we treat our own

+1,000

[Heffay]

Then like a pack of wolves you sweep down acting like he is an Obama supporting, socialist who wants to have a three way with Stalin, Mao and Che!

I was going to agree with you, but this being the internet I now feel the urgent need to call you names and question your intellect, as 4 people getting it on is NOT a three-way!

[TTS]

Then like a pack of wolves you sweep down acting like he is an Obama supporting, socialist who wants to have a three way with Stalin, Mao and Che!

I was going to agree with you, but this being the internet I now feel the urgent need to call you names and question your intellect, as 4 people getting it on is NOT a three-way!

LOL, I have never been good with math

[sgruenhagen44]

This is not the time or place to be bringing this up.

Patently disagree. Many news sources in the last couple hours have already brought it up on the antigun side - much of which has been exaggerated and inaccurate claims about firearms. Now is the time, because many are already talking about it, to respond with truth, to correct those inaccuracies. A lie left unchallenged becomes the truth. As terrible as it is, the antigun side is already using this to fuel their fire to restrict gun ownership - now is NOT the time to sit back. Lets instead talk about gun free zones and Connecticut's restrictive gun laws and how they are empirical proof that gun restriction to the law abiding doesn't curb violence. Thats what makes sense to me, and thats the stance I will be taking.

-M

No. This is the time to sit back and show empathy, and not get dragged into an emotional fight that you CANNOT win. The time to discuss what to do is after everyone has settled down from the emotional blast and starts discussing calmly about what to do. THAT is when we discuss the gun control aspect.

So when is the time? We bring it up today, tomorrow, or in ten years. Fact of the matter is that those kids are still dead. I'm not trying to sound insensitive, its just reality. IMO officers at schools would be a solution I think everyone can agree on. Never had any shootings at my school, but our officer ended multiple violent confrontations some with weapons.

[LarryFlew]

IMO officers at schools would be a solution I think everyone can agree on.

And on the bus, and in all malls, and in all theaters etc etc etc. Police state in the making..............???????

[smokintone]

I think there are allot of other security professionals that could handle the job. It world also create Jobs.

[mc762x54R]

IMO officers at schools would be a solution I think everyone can agree on.

And on the bus, and in all malls, and in all theaters etc etc etc. Police state in the making..............???????

people can carry on buses, in malls and theaters...not schools

[Mn01r6]

As a parent of two very defenseless young children I would rather see nothing change than waste money putting a cop in every school.

I think the best solution is giving teachers an incentive to carry concealed (or have a handgun locked in a safe) and free training. Maybe an AR or two in the principal's office locked up too. It would cost less than the cop and provide and armed resistance available to respond instantly. It also wouldn't be defeated by killing the 1 cop.

[Gun Mouse]

As a parent of two very defenseless young children I would rather see nothing change than waste money putting a cop in every school.

I think the best solution is giving teachers an incentive to carry concealed (or have a handgun locked in a safe) and free training. Maybe an AR or two in the principal's office locked up too. It would cost less than the cop and provide and armed resistance available to respond instantly. It also wouldn't be defeated by killing the 1 cop.

I think you would be very disappointed when a kid gets that gun from the teacher who is carrying. who may not be trained to even defend himself or perhaps a kid goes bad and breaks into the area were they are supposed to be secure and uses it wrong. Most prisons don't give the Officers guns to carry for that same reason. What if...It was taken from that Officer. Point is what value are your children worth or maybe after the fact you go wow I should have giving a little extra money for my children and now you pay for the loss, cost, grieve, and a total life change. To me that sound like a bigger cost. Plus we can create more jobs and maybe your kids would feel safer. Could even cut down bulling in the school. Sorry I'm off my box. Just realize I'm on your child and your side. I'm sick of seeing this too.

[tman]

I think you would be very disappointed when a kid gets that gun from the teacher who is carrying. who may not be trained to even defend himself or perhaps a kid goes bad and breaks into the area were they are supposed to be secure and uses it wrong. Most prisons don't give the Officers guns to carry for that same reason.

If there is a bunch of inmates fighting with a guard, the likelihood of the guard being disarmed is much greater. Not applicable to a typical school shooter situation.

And, as someone here once said, if it's that easy my gun to be snatched away, I'll just snatch it right back!

The most likely scenario where a student gets a gun from a "carrying" teacher is when: first, the student KNOWS the teacher has a gun and , second, when the teacher leaves it somewhere like classroom desk drawer.

[Gun Mouse]

I think you would be very disappointed when a kid gets that gun from the teacher who is carrying. who may not be trained to even defend himself or perhaps a kid goes bad and breaks into the area were they are supposed to be secure and uses it wrong. Most prisons don't give the Officers guns to carry for that same reason.

If there is a bunch of inmates fighting with a guard, the likelihood of the guard being disarmed is much greater. Not applicable to a typical school shooter situation.

And, as someone here once said, if it's that easy my gun to be snatched away, I'll just snatch it right back!

The most likely scenario where a student gets a gun from a "carrying" teacher is when: first, the student KNOWS the teacher has a gun and , second, when the teacher leaves it somewhere like classroom desk drawer.

You know as well as I do they will find out they have it and the part scares me is you will have a complacent teacher to do just that.... A teacher leaves it laying out. I don't know about you but your child should have more value then allowing just some teacher who you don't know protect your child. Your way every passenger should carry on a plane...Why do you suppose they gave that job to air marshals. They are trained for it.

[sgruenhagen44]

As a parent of two very defenseless young children I would rather see nothing change than waste money putting a cop in every school.

I think the best solution is giving teachers an incentive to carry concealed (or have a handgun locked in a safe) and free training. Maybe an AR or two in the principal's office locked up too. It would cost less than the cop and provide and armed resistance available to respond instantly. It also wouldn't be defeated by killing the 1 cop.

True. But I feel like my solution is a better compromise between the "Gun Enthusiasts" and the "Gun Grabbers." We are portrayed as weirdos by the media. IF we stand up and yell "ARM THE TEACHERS!" we look bad IMO. Not to mention a lot, NOT all teachers seem to be more left wing. We can't make people arm themselves. Plus, most high schools have officers anyway. I'm with you on the Carry concealed part, but not so much lockin ARs up the principles office. Sure, the cop could be killed but so could the Principle as he is about to unlock the ARs. Now we have a shooter with 2 ARs.
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And Like I stated before, I have watched Officers in my school end violence. Very quickly. My little sister actually told me that a few weeks ago at NOrth St. Paul high school one of her teachers got punched in the face when trying to break up a fight. Yes, I know this is not a shooting. Point being, the teacher did not successfully end the altercation. When I went there, a violent altercation went down. Kid got tazzed. Cop was fine.