Gun Free School Zones....

[mrp]

I think there are allot of other security professionals that could handle the job. It world also create Jobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

[Spinner]

I think there are allot of other security professionals that could handle the job. It world also create Jobs.

Like the Education Security Administration! Another arm of Homeland Security. I don't see how it could fail.


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[smokintone]

Ok. So what grand idea's do you fellas have then? You guys seem to have an answer to why other people's suggestions won't work. Please enlighten us all with your brilliant minds

[XDM45]

Ok. So what grand idea's do you fellas have then? You guys seem to have an answer to why other people's suggestions won't work. Please enlighten us all with your brilliant minds

See page 1's 12th post down, which I'll call Part 1 of this post, which I'll call Part 2....

As said in Part 1, I don't have an all-inclusive answer, but it boils down to this.... we are each responsible for our own lives and the defense of them. We have other things like laws and police, and while both can help, they can also hinder as well. I cannot provide a Step 1-2-3-4-Solved Solution for you or anyone, so as said previous in Part 1, we need to become a well-armed and well-trained society because the only surefire solutions I can come up with are both improbable - either a) genocide of the entire human race or b) a Utopian society. Neither will likely happen, (latter better than the former of course), but both would eliminate the crazy people. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, so I carry, openly, wherever I can legally do so. I would encourage schools to allow the same for their staff.

[smokintone]

Unfortunately, the way things are going, anything that involves armed guards or teachers is probably a pipe dream. The left would never let it happen.

[Mn01r6]

Do nothing. That would be the most logical (and politically brave) thing to do next to allowing teachers to defend themselves and their charges. The statistics bear out that this is not a problem we need to solve, it is just over sensationalized by the media so we think it happens twice a day.

[XDM45]

Unfortunately, the way things are going, anything that involves armed guards or teachers is probably a pipe dream. The left would never let it happen.

Well, then get ready for mor half-mast flags, tears, and "oh it's so sad" for the next event and then one after that, and after that, and after that, and....

As for "the left", I would probably be more democratic than republican, and I'm pretty pro-gun.... but I don't subscribe to any party, religion or organization's ideals exclusively.

[tman]

Your way every passenger should carry on a plane...Why do you suppose they gave that job to air marshals. They are trained for it.

Would YOU try any **** on that plane? I wounldn't.

You are making the anti's argument for them. Thanks.

[XDM45]

Your way every passenger should carry on a plane...Why do you suppose they gave that job to air marshals. They are trained for it.

Would YOU try any **** on that plane? I wounldn't.

You are making the anti's argument for them. Thanks.

Some gun owners against open carry on one of my former threads, now a gun owner against private citizens exercising their 2A rights. More anti-gun gun owners around than I thought. Weird.

[Heffay]

Some gun owners against open carry on one of my former threads, now a gun owner against private citizens exercising their 2A rights. More anti-gun gun owners around than I thought. Weird.

The strategy of "you're either with us or against us" hasn't worked out very well for certain groups in the past. I don't know why you would think it would suddenly start working here.

Either we welcome gun owners with alternate viewpoints and have reasonable discussions within our own group, or we fade to obscurity.

[Gun Mouse]

Your way every passenger should carry on a plane...Why do you suppose they gave that job to air marshals. They are trained for it.

Would YOU try any **** on that plane? I wounldn't.

You are making the anti's argument for them. Thanks.

Some gun owners against open carry on one of my former threads, now a gun owner against private citizens exercising their 2A rights. More anti-gun gun owners around than I thought. Weird.

Your absolutely right. Here is the problem right there. Instead of hearing whats being said. You think somebody's stepping on our 2A rights. This time listen to the words. I am a gun owner. I don't want our rights taken either. But be smart. Because you have a gun doesn't make you capable or mentally capable of doing that job. Take a look at the schools that have that system in place already. Its working and its not affecting our 2A rights. Its not going to be fool prof but either is yours. But it sounds like you would like to be the sheriff. I say great train for it. Learn how to defend yourself so someone doesn't beat the snot out of you and take your 2A right out of your pocket and use on you and then use it on your kid.

[Jgulbs]

This is not the time or place to be bringing this up.

Pink Pony FTW.

What do you know Ron Burgundy...You've got bad hair, you can't even speak Spanish and your place smells terrible, like old books and mahogany.

[tman]

Your way every passenger should carry on a plane...Why do you suppose they gave that job to air marshals. They are trained for it.

Would YOU try any **** on that plane? I wounldn't.

You are making the anti's argument for them. Thanks.

Some gun owners against open carry on one of my former threads, now a gun owner against private citizens exercising their 2A rights. More anti-gun gun owners around than I thought. Weird.

Maybe I didn't make my self clear. Let me rephrase:

I wouldn't want to be a hijacker on a plane where everyone may be armed.

[jshuberg]

Every adult in the world is ultimately responsible for their own physical security. If someone chooses not to take responsibility in this way, that's their decision to make. However, children are not responsible for their own security, the adults whose charge they are under are responsible for their security.

If I were a parent with a child in public school, I would be *demanding* that the physical security of my child be properly provided for. If they want to hire security staff, fine. If they want to allow teachers to arm themselves and take training on how to protect the children under their care, even better. The idea that just because a bunch of gun-fearing Eloi-types are running the education system doesn't mean they should be afforded the opportunity to make the same poor decision regarding security when they are responsible for other peoples children.

I'd be on the steps of city hall with a torch and pitchfork demanding that the state address the issue *immediately*. This is not a gun issue, although guns are the most effective tool for defending against a mad-man. It's a security issue, and those in charge has better start taking it seriously.

[gearguy10]

I hate to add to this mess, but I feel the need to throw in my two cents since I work in the very trenches you speak of. I teach high school in a suburban district and I will tell you as a gun owner/collector/carry permit holder you don't want want to add handguns to the mix by letting teachers carry on the job. If you do support this idea you have A. a whole lot of faith in your fellow man and B. selective memory of your high school experience. Many teachers can't keep track of their keys or ID badges and many are in no physical shape to take any kind of evasive action. For crying out loud, when fights break out we're told not to intervene (for the record, I do anyway but have been injured) and many teachers will just walk away. As for the students, do you remember your friends and classmates in high school? If I had a gun on my hip, a quarter of my students would be trying to figure out how to steal it from me, a quarter would be trying to figure out how to pull some kind of prank and plug the barrel or something, a quarter wouldn't want to talk about anything other than guns and we'd get nothing done, and the other quarter would refuse to come to class because they're scared of me.

The best move we ever made was to hire retired police officers as security. They love working with the kids and the kids love talking to them and hearing their stories. They know how to handle the tough situations and can identify potential problems and deal with them. It was a win win for both parties.

The problem is a mental health issue. We live in a society that values innocence until proven guilty...and we hesitate to label someone nuts until they do something to prove it. I had a kid just last week look me in the eye and tell me he was going to shoot me. Suffice to say, he has protection from being removed from school because an expert determined at some point that he has a disability and doesn't really understand what he says. So, they have a quick meeting of the minds and determine he didn't mean it and he's back in class an hour later with a big poo eating grin on his face.

I don't think we need guns in schools to protect the students and staff. We need a system that allows the removal and isolation of those who would do harm to schools or any public place. We know who they are. We just spend way too much time and energy trying to protect them instead of us.

Just saying...