Do we have to worry about or gun right?

[Snowgun]

I don't like Harry Reid either, but he's a gun friendly guy.

He carries a gun himself

Harry Reid is in office thanks to the NRA. I'll pass...

When is everyone going to realize that the 2A is for EVERYONE and should be a Bipartisan american issue! That is how you guarantee that freedom doesn't get crushed every time there is a particular bad election year.

[FJ540]

NRA doesn't represent my world view. 2A shouldn't be a political issue. It's second in line only to the right to openly dissent!

So our founding fathers sat down and said "we have the right to express ourselves, and when we say or do something you want us to stop doing, we also have the right to shoot your ass if needed so we can keep on doing it."

NRA says "we like guns, but we're ok if you want to limit us to your approved list. Thanks! Oh, and here's some more money so your list doesn't shrink any more."


No, I'll keep my money away from that kind of operation.

[GunClasses.Net]

NRA doesn't represent my world view. 2A shouldn't be a political issue. It's second in line only to the right to openly dissent!

I had a student in class say he is a staunch Democrat, but supports 2A. I had a lot of respect for him saying that in a room of gun people... I'm not sure many knew what to do with his statement, from some of the blank stares.

We must get out of this left-right Hegelian Dilectic "problem-resolution" paradigm the powers that be have set us up in. Republican/Democrat... our allegiance to political parities and not our Constitution has gotten us this far. We're told our choices; what choice is that??


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[GunClasses.Net]

NRA doesn't represent my world view. 2A shouldn't be a political issue. It's second in line only to the right to openly dissent!

I had a student in class say he is a staunch Democrat, but supports 2A. I had a lot of respect for him saying that in a room of gun people... I'm not sure many knew what to do with his statement, from some of the blank stares.

We must get out of this left-right Hegelian Dilectic "problem-resolution" paradigm the powers that be have set us up in. Republican/Democrat... our allegiance to political parities and not our Constitution has gotten us into all kinds of trouble. We're told our choices; what choice is that??


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[rockstar]

"You may not like guns, and choose not to own one. That is your right. You might not believe in God. That is your choice. However, if someone is breaking into your home the first two things you are going to do are: 1) Call someone with a gun. 2) Pray they get there in time." Anonymous

[photogpat]

Surprisingly enough - amoung the people I've talked to, the staunchest supporters of renewing the AWB are hunters.

"You don't need an AR!"
"You don't need 30 rd magazines"
"No one needs a gun like that for hunting"

I got into quite a heated discussion last night with 4 other hunters who explained to me that I was naive and ignorant if I thought the .gov was going to be taking away the 2nd amendment....and no one "needs" an "assault weapon". All my efforts to speak of the "Bill of Needs" vs. the "Bill of Rights" were shouted down. I was dumb-founded -- these are people who understand caliber, semi vs full auto, cosmetic vs functional, etc...and they were throwing "evil black rifles" off the cliff as an appeasing gesture to the gun controllers in light of Newtown. The only thing I got points on was the "more powerful" falacy surrounding "Assault" rifles. Most of them gave on that one when I compared the ballistics of a .308/.30-06 to a .223.

Speak to your "hunter" buddies who don't own an "assault" rifle. Explain to them that banning something on cosmetics alone doesn't work, and any talk of an "AR" platform rifle somehow being "more powerful" than their deer rifle are lunacy. The other side is looking to get "hunters and sportsmen" firmly in their camp.

[Heffay]

So our founding fathers sat down and said "we have the right to express ourselves, and when we say or do something you want us to stop doing, we also have the right to shoot your ass if needed so we can keep on doing it."

That's not what they said.

[FJ540]

Not literally, but that was their intent in modern terms. Speaking out against the rulers tends to get you killed in other parts of the world, and has for several hundred years. Thanks for logging in today!

I have pro gun dems claiming we don't need military weapons to me too. Let's go back to flint lock then. Ban all smokeless powders. Hell, we don't need guns to hunt, so lets ban that too. Only guns for self defense, yeah, and lets serialize bullets too. You can have one on you in case you need it, and you have to prove you still have it on a regular basis. Yeah, we can sign out a box of ammo from the local police department and have lo-jack strapped on until you return with all your spent bullets - not brass, you have to come back with 98% of your projectiles weight to make sure you didn't misplace one of them in somebody when you were going directly between the cop shop and the authorized and monitored government shooting location. You want to shoot an animal, use a slingshot or a bow and arrow like the Indians did before we showed up. That's the anti's wet dream right there. Not on my watch. I've had enough of this bullshyt and I will not passively allow them to take more ground on this issue.

[Heffay]

I have pro gun dems claiming we don't need military weapons to me too. Let's go back to flint lock then. Ban all smokeless powders. Hell, we don't need guns to hunt, so lets ban that too. Only guns for self defense, yeah, and lets serialize bullets too. You can have one on you in case you need it, and you have to prove you still have it on a regular basis. Yeah, we can sign out a box of ammo from the local police department and have lo-jack strapped on until you return with all your spent bullets - not brass, you have to come back with 98% of your projectiles weight to make sure you didn't misplace one of them in somebody when you were going directly between the cop shop and the authorized and monitored government shooting location. You want to shoot an animal, use a slingshot or a bow and arrow like the Indians did before we showed up.

Poor victims. It'll be ok.

[FJ540]

Poor victims. It'll be ok.

Says the guy who moved to a state where suppressors are legal to own...

[stoneboat]

IMO it needs to be turned into a school security problem, not a gun ban issue. We already have bans in the form of gun free zones and they work horriblely. Thanks to groups like the Brady Campaign we know what doesn't work.

It helps to be in the NRA but we need to conact or Reps and Senators and tell them don't blame us by imposing restrictions. It's not our fault some loon let go and went nuts. Do a better job of catching loons and change security were people are vulnerable.

[Heffay]

It's not our fault some loon let go and went nuts.

More part of the problem right there. Have some freaking empathy. Sheesh.

[JJ]

Surprisingly enough - amoung the people I've talked to, the staunchest supporters of renewing the AWB are hunters.

"You don't need an AR!"
"You don't need 30 rd magazines"
"No one needs a gun like that for hunting"

I got into quite a heated discussion last night with 4 other hunters who explained to me that I was naive and ignorant if I thought the .gov was going to be taking away the 2nd amendment....and no one "needs" an "assault weapon". All my efforts to speak of the "Bill of Needs" vs. the "Bill of Rights" were shouted down. I was dumb-founded -- these are people who understand caliber, semi vs full auto, cosmetic vs functional, etc...and they were throwing "evil black rifles" off the cliff as an appeasing gesture to the gun controllers in light of Newtown. The only thing I got points on was the "more powerful" falacy surrounding "Assault" rifles. Most of them gave on that one when I compared the ballistics of a .308/.30-06 to a .223.

Speak to your "hunter" buddies who don't own an "assault" rifle. Explain to them that banning something on cosmetics alone doesn't work, and any talk of an "AR" platform rifle somehow being "more powerful" than their deer rifle are lunacy. The other side is looking to get "hunters and sportsmen" firmly in their camp.

^this

Fudd's are going to be the ones that throw gun owners off the cliff. They don't own or need one for hunting, so no one needs one. If we can't sell them on this issue, we all will suffer soon enough.

Like this

[photogpat]

Surprisingly enough - amoung the people I've talked to, the staunchest supporters of renewing the AWB are hunters.

"You don't need an AR!"
"You don't need 30 rd magazines"
"No one needs a gun like that for hunting"

I got into quite a heated discussion last night with 4 other hunters who explained to me that I was naive and ignorant if I thought the .gov was going to be taking away the 2nd amendment....and no one "needs" an "assault weapon". All my efforts to speak of the "Bill of Needs" vs. the "Bill of Rights" were shouted down. I was dumb-founded -- these are people who understand caliber, semi vs full auto, cosmetic vs functional, etc...and they were throwing "evil black rifles" off the cliff as an appeasing gesture to the gun controllers in light of Newtown. The only thing I got points on was the "more powerful" falacy surrounding "Assault" rifles. Most of them gave on that one when I compared the ballistics of a .308/.30-06 to a .223.

Speak to your "hunter" buddies who don't own an "assault" rifle. Explain to them that banning something on cosmetics alone doesn't work, and any talk of an "AR" platform rifle somehow being "more powerful" than their deer rifle are lunacy. The other side is looking to get "hunters and sportsmen" firmly in their camp.

^this

Fudd's are going to be the ones that throw gun owners off the cliff. They don't own or need one for hunting, so no one needs one. If we can't sell them on this issue, we all will suffer soon enough.

Like this

I'm curious what "hunters" and "sportsmen" will say when a nutcase takes a .30-06 deer rifle up to a tower somewhere and proceeds to use his 3-9x scope to pick people off...oh wait...(see Charles Whitman).

[XDM45]

One of my D friends kept asking me "what do we give up this time?" My response - nothing!

The laws we have aren't working, making us jump through even more hoops will do nothing but give us more practice being the man's bytch. It's time we drew the line in the sand and said enough of this nonsense and get back to having freedom to make our own decisions.

People have free will, and there's nothing you can do without eliminating all of us to prevent a few from causing others harm without enough warning to stop it. Get over it already. Stop trying to prevent the future by choking people who have no evil intentions.

We need to allow people, regardless of what kind of building they're in, to take actions to defend the lives of themselves and others, without fear of legal death by court procedure, in any manner they feel necessary. No, this is not a license to kill with impunity - I think the Little Fall's nutjob probably should be hung, but not because he shot the intruders when they broke in.

My friend tried to make the argument that if everyone was armed, we wouldn't need police and we should get rid of them by my reasoning. My response to that is that police always show up after the fact. They're a reaction, not a cure, and they all show up with AR15's!

I carry a gun because there's an infinitesimally small possibility I may need it. I wear a seat belt because there's a pretty damn good chance some jackass is going to ram me with their car. If we required guns like we require seat belts, we'd have some real change in how many mass killings took place.

You want less crime, train everyone on how to use guns. Getting your ass shot is a far better deterrent than doing 6 months and coming out with street cred.

Our population fears the consequences of doing the right thing. That's tragic.

+1 on this.

We all know cops show up after the fact.

We all know cops have a gun to defend themselves.

When has anyone ever heard of a cop jumping in the middle of a crime and stopping it midway? Has it happened? Not that I've heard of, but even if it has, it's too rare for me to bet my life on. Better for me to have my gun and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Guns are not the problem here, people are.

We all know that there are people who kill by whatever means, usually with a gun, and they have mental health issues; but I propose that the gun community is it's own worst enemy worse than the government, any political party, any agenda, any ant-gun person or group, or any crazy, mentally ill gun-wielding madman is.

Why?

Hunters who buy into the FUD and spread it. Who don't think others need certain guns, because all you need is a 30-06, right?

Gun owners who don't like people who openly carry, Look at the blank-storm I caused by voicing my opinion on that herehttp://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=35134 because people would rather that others not openly carry because they don't like it and want to limit the rights of others our of fear, bias, agenda, whatever their reasoning. Now I don't want to revamp it here, read that thread and what's said is said, so let's not derail this one. I bring it up as a point here how gun owners are against gun owners.

How about this thread http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36760 where a gun owner wants to limit large capacity magazines.

YOU are your own worst enemy.

Seriously.

Concealed Carry - I'm for it.
Open Carry - I'm for it.
Full automatics - I'm for it.
Semi-automatics - I'm for it.
Select fire - I'm for it.
Rifles of any kind - I'm for it.
Pistols of any kind - I'm for it.
High Capacity Magazines for either pistols or rifles - I'm for it.
Getting gun training - I'm for it.
Getting a PTC/CCW in your state - I'm for it.
Actually carrying if you have said permit - I'm for it.
Carrying wherever you can legally do so and to lessen those limitations - I'm for it.
Introducing others to the shooting sports - I'm for it.
Competition shooting - I'm for it.
Reloading - I'm for it.
Buying ammo of any type - I'm for it.
responsible gun ownership - I'm for it.

So what am I AGAINST?

Anti-gun gun owners.

People, it's time to rise up together as one and stop all the little wars within our community. United we stand, divided we fall sound familiar?