Assault Gun Question

[Heffay]

But, let's be honest... if we give in to that, we're complying with the powers that be which push us one step closer to the edge of the cliff, one step at a time. So, while I have a preference, I also have a principle.

You're principles are based on a failed premise: That you aren't subject to the whims of society, and you can say "no" to get the results you want.

Sometimes you should not comply with the powers that be.
We have gotten to many bad places one small polotical step at a time.

We have gotten to a really bad place the last election cycle by not participating. Or are the lessons of November 2012 too old and stale to be remembered?

[FJ540]

I think it's time we take a giant leap away from that cliff. Take the rights back that were lost 80 years ago. We've tried the NFA way and it's failed. Let's try it where the citizens are the ones empowered to take matters into their own hands. Actually have some freedom for a while!

If we had a foreign nation marching uniformed soldiers onto our shores - would the federal government tell us to stand down and leave it to the professionals? In many ways, they already have. That's what obama wants. Only the government can save you - you need them for everything so you will keep them in power. It's time to stand up against them and take back what's rightfully ours.

[Heffay]

I think it's time we take a giant leap away from that cliff. Take the rights back that were lost 80 years ago. We've tried the NFA way and it's failed. Let's try it where the citizens are the ones empowered to take matters into their own hands. Actually have some freedom for a while!

If we had a foreign nation marching uniformed soldiers onto our shores - would the federal government tell us to stand down and leave it to the professionals? In many ways, they already have. That's what obama wants. Only the government can save you - you need them for everything so you will keep them in power. It's time to stand up against them and take back what's rightfully ours.

Nice rhetoric, but how do you plan on making that happen? Your viewpoint is only shared by a rather small and shrinking minority of voters.

[FJ540]

Do you make sure you never exceed the posted speed limit? There's a choice we make all the time - is that law necessary for me right now, or should I do as I want and worry about it when someone stops me?

You're already seeing the solution I propose - the teacher bringing her gun to school - but still being stupid enough to tell someone about it. These are the people we're trusting to teach our children how to be thinkers and they aren't smart enough to stay out of the spotlight when breaking the law, yet we're worried about the hundreds of thousands of guns which can do nothing without a person pulling their triggers. We need to fix the people, the guns aren't broken.

[Heffay]

You're already seeing the solution I propose - the teacher bringing her gun to school - but still being stupid enough to tell someone about it. These are the people we're trusting to teach our children how to be thinkers and they aren't smart enough to stay out of the spotlight when breaking the law, yet we're worried about the hundreds of thousands of guns which can do nothing without a person pulling their triggers. We need to fix the people, the guns aren't broken.

Ok, how about we deal with solutions that are actually feasible?

[FJ540]

Ok, we can deport and revoke citizenship of anyone who wants to restrict constitutional rights. I'm fine with that. Send them to Mexico - guns are illegal there too.

[Heffay]

Ok, we can deport and revoke citizenship of anyone who wants to restrict constitutional rights. I'm fine with that. Send them to Mexico - guns are illegal there too.

There are many options that can be discussed that don't affect your right to own, carry, etc.

Of course, refusing to discuss them just means you get to have fun in Irrelevance-Land.

[FJ540]

I'm not talking about my right to carry. I'm talking about all the stuff the feds say we can't own because it might harm someone. Sorry, but I'm perfectly able to kill a couple hundred people right now. I haven't done it, so why would my having different "toys" change that?

I want our rights back. I don't want a naughty toys you can't own list, and I don't want to ask permission when I move with those items around the freaking country. We need gun control reform in a very bad way, we need to repeal it!

[GunClasses.Net]

I'm not talking about my right to carry. I'm talking about all the stuff the feds say we can't own because it might harm someone. Sorry, but I'm perfectly able to kill a couple hundred people right now. I haven't done it, so why would my having different "toys" change that?

I want our rights back. I don't want a naughty toys you can't own list, and I don't want to ask permission when I move with those items around the freaking country. We need gun control reform in a very bad way, we need to repeal it!

But FJ! You're STILL too free. You can speak your mind. And, even if you can't do that, you can still think for yourself. And that, sir, is the most dangerous weapon of all...

I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: & enough too in their opinion, & this is the cause of their printing lying pamphlets against me... Thomas Jefferson http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/lit/jeff04.htm

hmmm...

[Heffay]

I'm not talking about my right to carry. I'm talking about all the stuff the feds say we can't own because it might harm someone. Sorry, but I'm perfectly able to kill a couple hundred people right now. I haven't done it, so why would my having different "toys" change that?

I want our rights back. I don't want a naughty toys you can't own list, and I don't want to ask permission when I move with those items around the freaking country. We need gun control reform in a very bad way, we need to repeal it!

/sigh

There are proposals that don't affect your toys at *all*. Yet you refuse to even discuss them. You can't seem to differentiate between increased straw buying penalties and 10 round mag limits.

[Jgulbs]

But, let's be honest... if we give in to that, we're complying with the powers that be which push us one step closer to the edge of the cliff, one step at a time. So, while I have a preference, I also have a principle.

You're principles are based on a failed premise: That you aren't subject to the whims of society, and you can say "no" to get the results you want.

Sometimes you should not comply with the powers that be.
We have gotten to many bad places one small polotical step at a time.

Amen!

[Josh189]

Why are we always being forced to be at a disadvantage to the criminals and lawmakers. This country really has it's roots being torn out and thrown away.

[Jgulbs]

This is a really well written article, that is well worth the read.

http://bradtaylorbooks.com/2012/12/a-si ... t-weapons/

I personally agree with the author, a former operator, up until his limited mag capacity argument. That being said, disagreement on one point, does not negate anything from the rest of the article.

Give it a read!

[Heffay]

Why are we always being forced to be at a disadvantage to the criminals and lawmakers. This country really has it's roots being torn out and thrown away.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't gun rights been increasing rather dramatically over the past few decades?

[XDM45]

A lot of good food for thought on this thread.

+1 @Jgulbs for his first page posting.

I don't think lowering the mag cap is going to do anything since as one person mentioned, you can reload faster than not. If they try to force OEMs at modifying guns from X point forward to slow down the reloading process with extra steps, they' experience major backlash I'm sure.

I do agree that this is a mental health issue and NOT a gun issue. I commend the parents of the Accent Signage shooter for their recent interview on the local news. their message should have gone far and wide for all to see nationwide. Not ONCE did they mention "gun" "weapon" assualt" "bullets" "magazine" etc. They focused on the core problem: Mental Health and People.