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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby xd ED on Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:30 am

mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


If they're selling, then you've got the correct price.

I doubt, if and when the market flip-flops, and all the sellers are sitting on a boxcar full of pmags, that anyone will step up and offer $20 over your $7.99 price. :cheers:
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Postby plink on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:04 am

JustPlainT wrote:CTD will likely be out of business by this time next year if this keeps up.

But hey, at least they have Pmags in stock! :roll:

Since Magpul got pissed at them for charging $60, and since they don't seem to be in the gun market anymore, I kinda wonder if they're not just trying to make max profits off remaining stock and not worry about burning bridges.
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby EJSG19 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:08 am

driztan wrote:I hope Brownells honors their back orders!


If any company would, it would be Brownells. They are outstanding in what they contribute to the shooting community locally and elsewhere. Good people.
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby grousemaster on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:10 am

FJ540 wrote:I had a feeling we were on the tail end of the crazy mag rush, and looking through GB today makes the case for that pretty well. 3 mag bundles selling for $100, 10 mags selling for $355...

CTD clearly missed the boat.

I'm including windowed pmags with my LPK auctions just to have a leg up over the competition. ;)



That's still over 3x what they should be going for....
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby grousemaster on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:12 am

xd ED wrote:
mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


If they're selling, then you've got the correct price.

I doubt, if and when the market flip-flops, and all the sellers are sitting on a boxcar full of pmags, that anyone will step up and offer $20 over your $7.99 price. :cheers:


So, you predict demon-rats (kidding) will fail in their mag ban attempts?
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby xd ED on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:15 am

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driztan wrote:I hope Brownells honors their back orders!


If any company would, it would be Brownells. They are outstanding in what they contribute to the shooting community locally and elsewhere. Good people.


Yep.
I got some stuff on backorder. Not worried about their integrity at all. The entire AR market could dry up and blow away, and Brownell's will still be the biggest and best at their core business.
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby xd ED on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:24 am

grousemaster wrote:
xd ED wrote:
mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


If they're selling, then you've got the correct price.

I doubt, if and when the market flip-flops, and all the sellers are sitting on a boxcar full of pmags, that anyone will step up and offer $20 over your $7.99 price. :cheers:


So, you predict demon-rats (kidding) will fail in their mag ban attempts?


Given the events of the past 48+ hours of Illinois politics, I don't know how anyone can predict the future, other than to say- however you imagine things will turnout- it will be different.
And if I was clairvoyant about markets, I would have long ago moved to my Playboy mansion/ survivalist camp somewhere in the west, where I would be dictating this post to a scantily clad secretary.
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Postby EJSG19 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:28 am

mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


I see no problem with smaller 1 shop dealers following the market. People are going to complain whether you make $1.00 on a sale or $1,000 on a sale. Seems like half the gun community is a bunch of low-ballers expecting you to sell stuff at 50% cost anyway.

I know a local ffl who probably had 100 guns in stock a month ago and now has about 5. On a dare they put up a $1000 EBR for a buy now price of $2500 and the sale didn't last more than 30 minutes.

People need to realize it isn't the seller who is to blame, it is the buyers. If people didn't freak out and decide to buy like there is no tomorrow, things would still be in stock and at the same price. It is NOT the seller's obligation to maintain their prices while inventory disappears, and then they cannot obtain any more inventory for months afterward (common sense would tell you thats a quick way to go out of business on a cash flow basis.)

Some sellers chose to, some didn't. Welcome to a free country. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
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Postby photogpat on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:35 am

^this

I put my AR up on Armslist last night for 30 minutes with a price of $2300. I had 22 emails in 30 minutes. Some people chastising me...but at least a couple legitimately wanting to buy. I emailed them back and told them to wait a few months until the hysteria died down because paying $2300 for mine was ridiculous.
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Postby grousemaster on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:41 am

photogpat wrote:^this

I put my AR up on Armslist last night for 30 minutes with a price of $2300. I had 22 emails in 30 minutes. Some people chastising me...but at least a couple legitimately wanting to buy. I emailed them back and told them to wait a few months until the hysteria died down because paying $2300 for mine was ridiculous.


Not accepting $2300 for yours (given, I don't know what you have) could also be considered ridiculous ;)
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby photogpat on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:43 am

grousemaster wrote:
photogpat wrote:^this

I put my AR up on Armslist last night for 30 minutes with a price of $2300. I had 22 emails in 30 minutes. Some people chastising me...but at least a couple legitimately wanting to buy. I emailed them back and told them to wait a few months until the hysteria died down because paying $2300 for mine was ridiculous.


Not accepting $2300 for yours (given, I don't know what you have) could also be considered ridiculous ;)


Yeah, I suppose -- but then I wouldn't have one.... :lol:
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Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:13 am

mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


Yes it is and you hit the nail on the head. Of course the flip side of that coin is that people who purchase regulary (some businesses tend to refer to these people as regulars) may remember who sold to them at a reasonable price during such times and who did not and that may also influance their decisions of where to shop in the future. ;)

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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby driztan on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:17 am

Holland&Holland wrote:
mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


Yes it is and you hit the nail on the head. Of course the flip side of that coin is that people who purchase regulary (some businesses tend to refer to these people as regulars) may remember who sold to them at a reasonable price during such times and who did not and that may also influance their decisions of where to shop in the future. ;)



For this exact reason I no longer deal with CTD. Brownells is the front runner to replace them for me current.
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby plblark on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:28 am

EJSG19 wrote:
mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


I see no problem with smaller 1 shop dealers following the market. People are going to complain whether you make $1.00 on a sale or $1,000 on a sale. Seems like half the gun community is a bunch of low-ballers expecting you to sell stuff at 50% cost anyway.

I know a local ffl who probably had 100 guns in stock a month ago and now has about 5. On a dare they put up a $1000 EBR for a buy now price of $2500 and the sale didn't last more than 30 minutes.

People need to realize it isn't the seller who is to blame, it is the buyers. If people didn't freak out and decide to buy like there is no tomorrow, things would still be in stock and at the same price. It is NOT the seller's obligation to maintain their prices while inventory disappears, and then they cannot obtain any more inventory for months afterward (common sense would tell you thats a quick way to go out of business on a cash flow basis.)

Some sellers chose to, some didn't. Welcome to a free country. Don't like it? Don't buy it.


The other concern is supply. A person in business expects to make a certain amount on each sale. if it's $50 / sale, the guy can know how many sales he has to make this month to pay the bills and stay open. That's in a system where he can replenish his supply for a predictable business model. With the buying frenzy going on and EVERYTHING being out of stock, that same guy has the same expenses. Suddenly, the stock he has on hand needs to generate the extra income to keep his doors open and his kids fed until he can replace it. If he can't get the item replaced for 3 months, then he needs to make what he has on hand sell for an amount that will allow him to stay open those 3 months ...
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Re: They went even lower.....and I'm not talking price.

Postby EJSG19 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:32 am

plblark wrote:
EJSG19 wrote:
mikereilly wrote:We are selling them for $39.99 - and I have had that called high - However I would remind people ...

Liberty only exists in a capitalist society. Capitalism is market driven. Items are priced at what the market will bear. Yes that can suck when you want something and can’t afford the price they demand; but that is their right to sell items for what they choose to sell them for. I’m sure some people are not happy with us that we have not jack up our prices and we are skewing the market. Other people still get mad because our prices are not the same as they were last week. But the market is organic, people driven, choice driven. Liberty only exists in a capitolist sociaty


I see no problem with smaller 1 shop dealers following the market. People are going to complain whether you make $1.00 on a sale or $1,000 on a sale. Seems like half the gun community is a bunch of low-ballers expecting you to sell stuff at 50% cost anyway.

I know a local ffl who probably had 100 guns in stock a month ago and now has about 5. On a dare they put up a $1000 EBR for a buy now price of $2500 and the sale didn't last more than 30 minutes.

People need to realize it isn't the seller who is to blame, it is the buyers. If people didn't freak out and decide to buy like there is no tomorrow, things would still be in stock and at the same price. It is NOT the seller's obligation to maintain their prices while inventory disappears, and then they cannot obtain any more inventory for months afterward (common sense would tell you thats a quick way to go out of business on a cash flow basis.)

Some sellers chose to, some didn't. Welcome to a free country. Don't like it? Don't buy it.


The other concern is supply. A person in business expects to make a certain amount on each sale. if it's $50 / sale, the guy can know how many sales he has to make this month to pay the bills and stay open. That's in a system where he can replenish his supply so he can sell them at $50 profit per and have a predictable business model. With the buying frenzy going on and EVERYTHING being out of stock, that same guy has the same expenses but now he doesn't know if he can replace his supply. Suddenly, the stock he has on hand needs to generate the extra income to keep his doors open and his kids fed until he can replace the supply and sell them again. If he can't get the item replaced for 3 months, then he needs to make the supply he has on hand sell for an amount that will allow him to stay open those 3 months ...


:exactly:
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