When The Dust Settles- What will we have lost/left?

[LarryP]

Problem is, If congress doesn't give Obama what he wants, he has said he's use excecutive orders, privlege & actions.

It's not going to be good.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bid ... 94984.html

[XDM45]

Problem is, If congress doesn't give Obama what he wants, he has said he's use excecutive orders, privlege & actions.

It's not going to be good.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bid ... 94984.html

If he issues an XO that counters 2A, The SCOTUS is going to have a field day with him and it, since they are supposed to be independent of any governmental branch or influence. If the SCOTUS does not uphold the constitution on 2A, it could result in some very dicey times all the way to a full blown revolution depending on what Obama does with an XO.

When an XO is issued, it becomes law, but the POTUS cannot legally issue an XO which say removes an amendment of the constitution.... for example, an XO which makes all gun ownership illegal by private citizens, or making alcohol illegal, or freedom of speech illegal, etc. I think if outright bans happened on free speech and/or guns, you'd have a revolution on your hands. Now could he issue an XO which isn't that broad and still does some major damage? Yes, of course, but remember that in doing so not only would it cause all sorts of legal issues, it would also majorly hurt the Democratic party as a whole. In general, Republicans have been pro-gun and Democrats anti-gun, if you toe the party line. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, I'm speaking very generally here, so please keep that in mind.

True, Obama is on his last term as POTUS, BUT only a fool thinks that these ex-POTUS still don't have a political career after their term(s) in office. Look at Bill Clinton for example, even non-POTUS such as Newt Gringrich write books, do speaking engagements, go on talk shows, and still have influence and are influenced by the system. They are still part of it, just in a different way. There's certain things one can and cannot do when one is in-office and out-of-office, so both are dis/advantages, but both are very active none-the-less. It would be not only political suicide, but career suicide to do something that boneheaded as an XO making all guns illegal or some huge ban-hammer move like that.

What is more apt to happen is some big move not quite as big, but one that will test the SCOTUS and 2A.

What I find so funny is that fact that I've heard it say by fellow carriers that if someone asks them why they are afraid and must carry a gun, sometimes the carrier responds "Nothing." while looking at their gun...meaning because they carry, they have nothing to fear..... but many people (who are gun owners) get very afraid over possibilities, every time a shooting happens, they spook easily and jump just as so. Anyone seen the panic buying lately? For being people who suppoosedly aren't afraid because they have guns, I see an awful lot of fear - and that is what the anti-s used against us. They are Judo Masters and so many of us run head-long into their waiting extended arm which uses our own force against us and we go tumbling head over heels because of our panicked running.

Stop.

Lose the Fear.

Think.

Plan.

Implement.

Be pro-active, not re-active.

Bond together instead of fear mongering and segmenting hunters vs. non-hunters, for example.

Stop being our own worst enemy.

[ktech]

Problem is, If congress doesn't give Obama what he wants, he has said he's use excecutive orders, privlege & actions.

It's not going to be good.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bid ... 94984.html

If you read an article that covers the issue more thoroughly, you'll find out it's not what you might think:

It is unclear what specific executive orders Obama is contemplating, though one Democratic aide with insight into the talks said Obama could sidestep Congress and bolster federally funded mental-health programs.

[JustPlainT]

Stop.

Lose the Fear.

Think.

Plan.

Implement.

Be pro-active, not re-active.

Bond together instead of fear mongering and segmenting hunters vs. non-hunters, for example.

Stop being our own worst enemy.

^ THIS.



I don't think Obama is going to dare make too huge an XO reach. He'll lose support within his own power base.

[XDM45]

Stop.

Lose the Fear.

Think.

Plan.

Implement.

Be pro-active, not re-active.

Bond together instead of fear mongering and segmenting hunters vs. non-hunters, for example.

Stop being our own worst enemy.

^ THIS.

I don't think Obama is going to dare make too huge an XO reach. He'll lose support within his own power base.

Exactly.

The most important thing about Washington is STAYING in Washington....and politicians and lobbyists will do that however they can. It's not so much about a cure for any one problem, but rather about the process of it, for which they are getting paid. It's sort of like an hourly employee who gets paid for their time, not their results. Now if people were paid for results versus their time, look out... you bet your butt things would be different.

[LarryP]

When has obama followed or cared about laws & the constitution?

His last term, he's capable of doing anything.

Look at the mexican gun running scheme fiasco.

[XDM45]

When has obama followed or cared about laws & the constitution?

His last term, he's capable of doing anything.

Look at the mexican gun running scheme fiasco.

When has [insert politician here] followed or cared about l [insert topic here]?

His last term, he's capable of doing anything.

Look at the [insert strawman argument here] scheme fiasco.

Yes, if Romney ywas elected, we'd all have rainbows, fairies covered in gold flying out my butts right now. The heavens would open and grandma would be able to walk down main street smokin' a joint and carrying an M-16 on full auto.

No. Not really.

No politician or person is perfect...and Obama isn't the sole cause of this, just the main focal point...just as every POTUS is. Look deeper.

[ktech]

When has obama followed or cared about laws & the constitution?

His last term, he's capable of doing anything.

Look at the mexican gun running scheme fiasco.

When has [insert politician here] followed or cared about l [insert topic here]?

His last term, he's capable of doing anything.

Look at the [insert strawman argument here] scheme fiasco.

Yes, if Romney ywas elected, we'd all have rainbows, fairies covered in gold flying out my butts right now. The heavens would open and grandma would be able to walk down main street smokin' a joint and carrying an M-16 on full auto.

No. Not really.

No politician or person is perfect...and Obama isn't the sole cause of this, just the main focal point...just as every POTUS is. Look deeper.

*claps*