Exaggerated prices, exaggerated panic.

[tabberski]

The market is already showing signs of softening a bit. Inventories are creeping back up. The sun will come out tomorrow Lucky I didn't get to crazy with my purchases. Anyone hiring for part time help??

[Snakeman721]

The market is already showing signs of softening a bit. Inventories are creeping back up. The sun will come out tomorrow Lucky I didn't get to crazy with my purchases. Anyone hiring for part time help??

I just passed Federal Cartridge in Anoka yesterday and they had the "Now Hiring" sign out by their dock entrance.

[justinvan]

I was at Scheels in St Cloud and bought 1000 rounds of AE223 at $0.40 per round. I now see @$$#0l&$ selling the same stuff with the price tag still on it on Armslist from for $0.85 a round. I know they have the "right" to charge whatever they want but it just rubs me the wrong way... especially when they have to put FIRM on there price. OK rant over. I do have to give Scheels credit, they were selling there ae223 at pre panic prices. I think a few people have said it as "right place right time" as far as finding things in stock for reasonable prices and I have to agree. I have found everything I want/need buy keeping my eyes open and have not had to pay any extra on any of it yet.

[XDM45]

Frontiersman had 3 boxes of .45ACP @ $28.00 for a box of 50 rounds, which translates into .56 a round before taxes. No way. I just paid .45 a round online and it wasn't the cheap PNY stuff, it was my favorite MagTech.

[RangerTim]

Frontiersman had 3 boxes of .45ACP @ $28.00 for a box of 50 rounds, which translates into .56 a round before taxes. No way. I just paid .45 a round online and it wasn't the cheap PNY stuff, it was my favorite MagTech.

I bought PNY ammo from my local walmart for $19 per box. I know the ammo isn't ideal, but its there.

[XDM45]

Frontiersman had 3 boxes of .45ACP @ $28.00 for a box of 50 rounds, which translates into .56 a round before taxes. No way. I just paid .45 a round online and it wasn't the cheap PNY stuff, it was my favorite MagTech.

I bought PNY ammo from my local walmart for $19 per box. I know the ammo isn't ideal, but its there.

Yeah that's a much more reasonable price. True, it's ok. I mean, PNY isn't exactly Wolf or Tula (shudders).

[grousemaster]

Frontiersman had 3 boxes of .45ACP @ $28.00 for a box of 50 rounds, which translates into .56 a round before taxes. No way. I just paid .45 a round online and it wasn't the cheap PNY stuff, it was my favorite MagTech.

I bought PNY ammo from my local walmart for $19 per box. I know the ammo isn't ideal, but its there.

Yeah that's a much more reasonable price. True, it's ok. I mean, PNY isn't exactly Wolf or Tula (shudders).

What's the issue with Wolf or Tula?

[XDM45]

What's the issue with Wolf or Tula?

It's cheap ammo. Personal preference, but I just don't care for it. The lowest quality target ammo I'll shoot it through my XDm .45ACP is the Blazer or PNY stuff, and I like the PNY over the Blazer. (One problem for me is that the Blazer has the aluminum casings Bill's doesn't allow and I save the brass to sell off to reloaders, so I don't use it unless I have to. I used 6 boxes of the Blazer and I didn't like it all that well.) I never had a FTF or jam on my .45 on anything I've put through it, so that's not the issue, it's just a personal preference based on the feel, response of it. BPR uses the PNY, it's a decent ammo and the least one I'd use on a regular basis for target shooting.

My favorite ball/target ammo is the MagTech (blue box stuff, I forget the actual name). Otherwise, Federal, Winchester, Remington/UMC, is all good by me. I also don't fire anything not jacketed (FMJ for target ammo) or JHP for defensive purposes, so no raw lead bullets with wax on them or anything like that. Never put a reloaded round through my XDm and most likely never will either.

I still haven't made up my mind on a good defensive round, but the Hornady TAP+P FPD 230gr JHP seems to be a good one to use.

As for my Ruger Mark II22/45, I'll use the Federal red box of 550 round stuff (my favorite), the Winchester bulk white box, or if I want to spend a bit more per round, the Ferrari of .22LR ammo, CCI. No Wolf, Tula, el -cheapo Russian made low quality stuff there either. I'm sure some people shoot the stuff (Wolf/Tula) and it doesn't give them issues, it's cheap, they don't mind it, etc, and that's good for them, but not for me. Again, it's all personal preference.

[plblark]

here's funny ... a PSA rifle in 300 blk may go for $1400 (Or way more at the gun show) but rugersol's rifle built for 3-gun with all quality parts is languishing at $1500 ...

[grousemaster]

here's funny ... a PSA rifle in 300 blk may go for $1400 (Or way more at the gun show) but rugersol's rifle built for 3-gun with all quality parts is languishing at $1500 ...

Yup, he should put it on gunbroker....I've seen DPMS Sporticals sell for more than his asking price lately.

[grousemaster]

What's the issue with Wolf or Tula?

It's cheap ammo. Personal preference, but I just don't care for it. The lowest quality target ammo I'll shoot it through my XDm .45ACP is the Blazer or PNY stuff, and I like the PNY over the Blazer. (One problem for me is that the Blazer has the aluminum casings Bill's doesn't allow and I save the brass to sell off to reloaders, so I don't use it unless I have to. I used 6 boxes of the Blazer and I didn't like it all that well.) I never had a FTF or jam on my .45 on anything I've put through it, so that's not the issue, it's just a personal preference based on the feel, response of it. BPR uses the PNY, it's a decent ammo and the least one I'd use on a regular basis for target shooting.

My favorite ball/target ammo is the MagTech (blue box stuff, I forget the actual name). Otherwise, Federal, Winchester, Remington/UMC, is all good by me. I also don't fire anything not jacketed (FMJ for target ammo) or JHP for defensive purposes, so no raw lead bullets with wax on them or anything like that. Never put a reloaded round through my XDm and most likely never will either.

I still haven't made up my mind on a good defensive round, but the Hornady TAP+P FPD 230gr JHP seems to be a good one to use.

As for my Ruger Mark II22/45, I'll use the Federal red box of 550 round stuff (my favorite), the Winchester bulk white box, or if I want to spend a bit more per round, the Ferrari of .22LR ammo, CCI. No Wolf, Tula, el -cheapo Russian made low quality stuff there either. I'm sure some people shoot the stuff (Wolf/Tula) and it doesn't give them issues, it's cheap, they don't mind it, etc, and that's good for them, but not for me. Again, it's all personal preference.

Bills doesn't allow blazer aluminum case? Why!?!?

I've actually had good luck with Wolf. I shoot it when I don't feel like chasing own brass, and I've actually had fewer issues with it than I have Federal or UMC. It is dirty and smells bad, but all ammo is dirty and I clean my guns frequently enough that the cost savings is all benefit and no drawbacks.

[xd ED]

Steel ammo cases can be separated from brass with a magnet Alum hast to be hand sorted and there are OSHA obsticals to overcome due to lead hazards.

[Erud]

As for my Ruger Mark II22/45, I'll use the Federal red box of 550 round stuff (my favorite), the Winchester bulk white box, or if I want to spend a bit more per round, the Ferrari of .22LR ammo, CCI. No Wolf, Tula, el -cheapo Russian made low quality stuff there either. I'm sure some people shoot the stuff (Wolf/Tula) and it doesn't give them issues, it's cheap, they don't mind it, etc, and that's good for them, but not for me. Again, it's all personal preference.

Just an FYI, Wolf rimfire ammo has nothing in common with Wolf centerfire ammo, aside from the name. It is actually made in Germany by Lapua and is some of the best rimfire ammo you will find at anywhere near it's price point. Generally speaking, it will almost always be the best .22 ammo you can buy at any local stores. Until you start spending $10-$20 a box on the boutique Eley, Lapua etc, you will not match it's performance. Wolf and the equivalent SK are the preferred practice ammo of many competitive smallbore shooters all over the world.

Avoid it if you like, but you may as well at least know what it is.

[XDM45]

Bills doesn't allow blazer aluminum case? Why!?!?
Because like every other range out there, they make money off of you and everyone else who leaves brass behind.

Even though I don't reload, I save the brass and sell 500 casings of .45ACP for $40.00. It helps me recoup my ammo costs somewhat.

I'm not about wasting money, and I know that shooting isn't cheap by any means, but if someone is going to pinch pennies that tightly, they probably should take up shooting There's cheaper hobbies, sports, defense methods, etc.

You actually may be better off shooting stuff you reload vs. Wolf or Tula, unless you can't reload for the same or less cost than the cheap new ammo in those brands; but even if it is the same cost as new to just reload, you could probably reload a better and higher quality ammo than Wolf or Tula anyway.

I've actually had good luck with Wolf. I shoot it when I don't feel like chasing own brass, and I've actually had fewer issues with it than I have Federal or UMC. It is dirty and smells bad, but all ammo is dirty and I clean my guns frequently enough that the cost savings is all benefit and no drawbacks.

I clean my guns after every time too, but I would prefer to not put that much gunk through them even though I do clean them right away. I also have a blood lead level of .21 (last time I checked in Spring 2012) and spraying myself with even more lead isn't a good idea. As for the issues with UMC and Federal, I've never had an issue with either of them, but it could be that particular firearm, caliber, both, neither, any mix of things. If it works for you, go for it. If we ever shoot together and you want to fire off some mags through my firearms, just don't use that stuff, that's all.

What caliber and kind of firearms are you using anyway? I'm curious what other people shoot.

[XDM45]

As for my Ruger Mark II22/45, I'll use the Federal red box of 550 round stuff (my favorite), the Winchester bulk white box, or if I want to spend a bit more per round, the Ferrari of .22LR ammo, CCI. No Wolf, Tula, el -cheapo Russian made low quality stuff there either. I'm sure some people shoot the stuff (Wolf/Tula) and it doesn't give them issues, it's cheap, they don't mind it, etc, and that's good for them, but not for me. Again, it's all personal preference.

Just an FYI, Wolf rimfire ammo has nothing in common with Wolf centerfire ammo, aside from the name. It is actually made in Germany by Lapua and is some of the best rimfire ammo you will find at anywhere near it's price point. Generally speaking, it will almost always be the best .22 ammo you can buy at any local stores. Until you start spending $10-$20 a box on the boutique Eley, Lapua etc, you will not match it's performance. Wolf and the equivalent SK are the preferred practice ammo of many competitive smallbore shooters all over the world.

Avoid it if you like, but you may as well at least know what it is.

Fair enough. I've never seen the .22LR caliber from Wolf and I'd be willing to try that. I was speaking more about the Wolf in the other calibers, such as in my .45ACP. I didn't know that about the .22LR from Wolf, so I'd give it a shot (literally and figuratively) IF it's that good, not dirty, and cheaper than the stuff I normally get. I take it WalMart has it?

By the way, whenever I hit the Shakopee WalMart if they're out of the Winchester, Remington, UMC .45ACP ammo, they usually have the Tula left. Apparently I'm not the only one out there who doesn't want it.