Ammo is arriving at stores

[Holland&Holland]

BS. I have not seen a brick of .22 any where for 2 months. I check the BP and Lakeville FFs weekly and at least one walmart per week. All anyone ever has in stock is .22 bird shot.

You may want to check Capra’s. They seem to have .22lr on hand quite frequently lately.

I never seem to end up in that part of town, but I appretiate the heads up.

[optimusglen]

Yep, I've found 22LR at Capras a few times. It's right on my way home from work. No hoarding though, I've only purchased a couple hundred rounds at a time, or what I think I'll use that week.

[mecra]

Hoarders, gun show dealers, and people who just want a lot of ammo are making it difficult. I just want a few hundred more rounds of 5.56, and 9mm. I don't really care about .22 or 45 but wouldn't mind getting some extra of those.

Alas, I have to work though and have no "friends" at the gun stores near me that can set aside ammo.

[OldmanFCSA]

Hoarders, gun show dealers, and people who just want a lot of ammo are making it difficult. I just want a few hundred more rounds of 5.56, and 9mm. I don't really care about .22 or 45 but wouldn't mind getting some extra of those.

Alas, I have to work though and have no "friends" at the gun stores near me that can set aside ammo.

MECRA - don't complain too much - I tried to sell you up to 3300 rounds of 5.56 ammo at a highly reasonable price, except that you didn't want to have to re-zero your rifle to my 55 grain from your enormous stash of 62 grain ammo.

You don't have friends for a reason. You are a "selective hoarder". This is not a personal attack, just a recommendation for you to broaden your requirements to better fit your needs. And if you had 55 grain ammo maybe someone would trade 62 grain ammo with you, a friend perhaps that would assist you with future trades.

The 2400 rounds of 62 grain in my inventory is SOLD to a friend who is currently deployed. It will stay stored in my inventory until he wants it after returning home. It may be in MY inventory, but it is not mine, as it has been paid for in advance.

[yuppiejr]

My current perspective is the best way for retailers to combat the problem of resale/hoarding is to increase prices.... which will kill the secondary resale market and slow down the hoarders. Having observed numerous unsuccessful attempts to better manage the hoarding/reseller buying by retailers with different purchase limit/inventory management schemes I just don't think anything else is going to work. As mentioned in this thread, Capras has managed to keep inventory of .22 in stock because they have increased prices enough to remove the incentive to buy significantly more than a person needs short-term without getting into gouger territory.

Holding prices at pre-panic levels as a service to the majority seems to be only helping the minority with the time or connections to work the system. Restrict or eliminate employee sales/hold capabilities - price .22 LR bricks closer to $30-$40 (same general concept with 5.56/.223 and other hard to find ammo) to take the resale profit out of and let inventory build back up in the channel until bringing prices back down slowly once the distribution stream can maintain a normal supply. At least people who can't find the stuff at all and are being forced into the gray market via Armslist/etc.. will be able to get ammo and the hoarders can just sit tight for a while since it doesn't make sense to buy right now (right now people keep trolling the already short supply and snagging up as much as they find since the price is still artificially low). Honestly I wonder how many wholesalers are sitting on inventory right now just letting retailers run out their stock until they raise prices to accommodate purchasing at a higher cost level.

I love getting a great deal but feel like forcing prices to remain low even though market forces indicate they should be higher at retail on hard to find ammo products is preventing (or at least extending) the market correction that needs to happen short-term to deal with the supply problem with ammo.

[SparkyJeff]

BS. I have not seen a brick of .22 any where for 2 months. I check the BP and Lakeville FFs weekly and at least one walmart per week. All anyone ever has in stock is .22 bird shot.

I never thought to look for ammo at BP, I thought they only sold gas and gatorade.

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[Holland&Holland]

BS. I have not seen a brick of .22 any where for 2 months. I check the BP and Lakeville FFs weekly and at least one walmart per week. All anyone ever has in stock is .22 bird shot.

I never thought to look for ammo at BP, I thought they only sold gas and gatorade.

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BP would be brooklyn park, FF would be fleet farm, walmart would be wally world.

[XDM45]

BS. I have not seen a brick of .22 any where for 2 months. I check the BP and Lakeville FFs weekly and at least one walmart per week. All anyone ever has in stock is .22 bird shot.

I never thought to look for ammo at BP, I thought they only sold gas and gatorade.

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BP ammo is worthless. It's all unleaded

[xd ED]

My current perspective is the best way for retailers to combat the problem of resale/hoarding is to increase prices.... which will kill the secondary resale market and slow down the hoarders. Having observed numerous unsuccessful attempts to better manage the hoarding/reseller buying by retailers with different purchase limit/inventory management schemes I just don't think anything else is going to work. As mentioned in this thread, Capras has managed to keep inventory of .22 in stock because they have increased prices enough to remove the incentive to buy significantly more than a person needs short-term without getting into gouger territory.

Holding prices at pre-panic levels as a service to the majority seems to be only helping the minority with the time or connections to work the system. Restrict or eliminate employee sales/hold capabilities - price .22 LR bricks closer to $30-$40 (same general concept with 5.56/.223 and other hard to find ammo) to take the resale profit out of and let inventory build back up in the channel until bringing prices back down slowly once the distribution stream can maintain a normal supply. At least people who can't find the stuff at all and are being forced into the gray market via Armslist/etc.. will be able to get ammo and the hoarders can just sit tight for a while since it doesn't make sense to buy right now (right now people keep trolling the already short supply and snagging up as much as they find since the price is still artificially low). Honestly I wonder how many wholesalers are sitting on inventory right now just letting retailers run out their stock until they raise prices to accommodate purchasing at a higher cost level.

I love getting a great deal but feel like forcing prices to remain low even though market forces indicate they should be higher at retail on hard to find ammo products is preventing (or at least extending) the market correction that needs to happen short-term to deal with the supply problem with ammo.

Overall, that may be the least expensive means of acquiring ammo for the duration of the current conditions.
Those who consume their time, money and energy looking to score that 1 in 10 good deal are defeated before they begin.
The road trips to get in on a '1 or 2 box limit' are horrifically expensive on a per round basis.

If I knew I could stop and pick up 100-200 rds of .22lr on the way to the range would be with the addition cost for the peace of mind.

[yuppiejr]

.. exactly... the time and gas to chase down that $20 brick of .22 likely make it a $40-$50+ brick when it takes 10 stops to score once... which only further reinforces the locust like mentality to grab everything in sight when you DO find it and further screw up the supply.

Higher price + consistent supply > low price and a totally unpredictable (or lack of) supply.

[XDM45]

My current perspective is the best way for retailers to combat the problem of resale/hoarding is to increase prices.... which will kill the secondary resale market and slow down the hoarders. Having observed numerous unsuccessful attempts to better manage the hoarding/reseller buying by retailers with different purchase limit/inventory management schemes I just don't think anything else is going to work. As mentioned in this thread, Capras has managed to keep inventory of .22 in stock because they have increased prices enough to remove the incentive to buy significantly more than a person needs short-term without getting into gouger territory.

Holding prices at pre-panic levels as a service to the majority seems to be only helping the minority with the time or connections to work the system. Restrict or eliminate employee sales/hold capabilities - price .22 LR bricks closer to $30-$40 (same general concept with 5.56/.223 and other hard to find ammo) to take the resale profit out of and let inventory build back up in the channel until bringing prices back down slowly once the distribution stream can maintain a normal supply. At least people who can't find the stuff at all and are being forced into the gray market via Armslist/etc.. will be able to get ammo and the hoarders can just sit tight for a while since it doesn't make sense to buy right now (right now people keep trolling the already short supply and snagging up as much as they find since the price is still artificially low). Honestly I wonder how many wholesalers are sitting on inventory right now just letting retailers run out their stock until they raise prices to accommodate purchasing at a higher cost level.

I love getting a great deal but feel like forcing prices to remain low even though market forces indicate they should be higher at retail on hard to find ammo products is preventing (or at least extending) the market correction that needs to happen short-term to deal with the supply problem with ammo.

Overall, that may be the least expensive means of acquiring ammo for the duration of the current conditions.
Those who consume their time, money and energy looking to score that 1 in 10 good deal are defeated before they begin.
The road trips to get in on a '1 or 2 box limit' are horrifically expensive on a per round basis.

If I knew I could stop and pick up 100-200 rds of .22lr on the way to the range would be with the addition cost for the peace of mind.

So if they raise the prices and people pay it, what's the incentive to drop the prices to pre-fear-mongering levels? Ammo could be $10,000 a box and if I wanted it bad enough, I'd buy several boxes of it. When prices drop, they will do so to around or slightly higher than pre-panic levels, imo, however, if prices are driven higher to reduce hoarding, when those prices do drop, they will be just be slightly higher than the pre-panic levels, so I think in the long-term, higher prices (even once lowered), hurts everyone.

Buy ammo online anyway. Going to stores, even in non-panic times, is pretty worthless if you want any real quantities.

[yuppiejr]

So if they raise the prices and people pay it, what's the incentive to drop the prices to pre-fear-mongering levels? Ammo could be $10,000 a box and if I wanted it bad enough, I'd buy several boxes of it. When prices drop, they will do so to around or slightly higher than pre-panic levels, imo, however, if prices are driven higher to reduce hoarding, when those prices do drop, they will be just be slightly higher than the pre-panic levels, so I think in the long-term, higher prices (even once lowered), hurts everyone.

Buy ammo online anyway. Going to stores, even in non-panic times, is pretty worthless if you want any real quantities.

Having been through the '08 shortage, history indicates an increase in supply/competition will help prices normalize down the road. "Pre-panic" pricing is simply an arbitrary concept of what is normal, once upon a time gas was 25 cents a gallon and I remember buying bricks of .22 at $9.95 a few years ago that haven't dipped below $20 in quite some time... It has no relevance at the present time on what things cost.

Right now lower prices don't make sense because supply is vastly outstripping demand... the market (what people are willing/able to pay) will set prices if it's allowed to work naturally... this well intended but flawed concept that shops are helping the average person by artificially holding down prices (even against their own interests) is simply false, primarily to appease the "derp-derp, gougers!!" portion of the gun buying crowd.

As for buying ammo online.. again.. how's that going for you right now? I've had significantly more luck at local retail than online in the past 6 months...

[mecra]

Hoarders, gun show dealers, and people who just want a lot of ammo are making it difficult. I just want a few hundred more rounds of 5.56, and 9mm. I don't really care about .22 or 45 but wouldn't mind getting some extra of those.

Alas, I have to work though and have no "friends" at the gun stores near me that can set aside ammo.

MECRA - don't complain too much - I tried to sell you up to 3300 rounds of 5.56 ammo at a highly reasonable price, except that you didn't want to have to re-zero your rifle to my 55 grain from your enormous stash of 62 grain ammo.

You don't have friends for a reason. You are a "selective hoarder". This is not a personal attack, just a recommendation for you to broaden your requirements to better fit your needs. And if you had 55 grain ammo maybe someone would trade 62 grain ammo with you, a friend perhaps that would assist you with future trades.

The 2400 rounds of 62 grain in my inventory is SOLD to a friend who is currently deployed. It will stay stored in my inventory until he wants it after returning home. It may be in MY inventory, but it is not mine, as it has been paid for in advance.

Wow, you are even more an ass than I originally thought. I didn't buy your ammo and you resort to personal attacks against me??? 800 rounds isn't "selective hoarding" as some people will shoot that in a weekend. I didn't want your ammo because I didn't want to waste money buying a grain that I'm not going to primarily shoot, and I wasn't going to "hoard" it from someone else who may have wanted it. Please, it sounds like you need to get out more because you have an incredible lack of understanding of people and their motives. All the more reason to avoid your, "deals" in the future. You sounded suspicious before and you've confirmed it more now.

and just to clarify, you said you could sell me two packs of rounds, not 3300 rounds. That's 600 rounds, if you could do math. 800 rounds isn't an enormous stash and I told you that when I emailed you. ANd I don't have friends in "stores" you moron. I have friends outside of "stores". Man, I need to stop writing as you aren't even worth the waste of internet space.

[xd ED]

My current perspective is the best way for retailers to combat the problem of resale/hoarding is to increase prices.... which will kill the secondary resale market and slow down the hoarders. Having observed numerous unsuccessful attempts to better manage the hoarding/reseller buying by retailers with different purchase limit/inventory management schemes I just don't think anything else is going to work. As mentioned in this thread, Capras has managed to keep inventory of .22 in stock because they have increased prices enough to remove the incentive to buy significantly more than a person needs short-term without getting into gouger territory.

Holding prices at pre-panic levels as a service to the majority seems to be only helping the minority with the time or connections to work the system. Restrict or eliminate employee sales/hold capabilities - price .22 LR bricks closer to $30-$40 (same general concept with 5.56/.223 and other hard to find ammo) to take the resale profit out of and let inventory build back up in the channel until bringing prices back down slowly once the distribution stream can maintain a normal supply. At least people who can't find the stuff at all and are being forced into the gray market via Armslist/etc.. will be able to get ammo and the hoarders can just sit tight for a while since it doesn't make sense to buy right now (right now people keep trolling the already short supply and snagging up as much as they find since the price is still artificially low). Honestly I wonder how many wholesalers are sitting on inventory right now just letting retailers run out their stock until they raise prices to accommodate purchasing at a higher cost level.

I love getting a great deal but feel like forcing prices to remain low even though market forces indicate they should be higher at retail on hard to find ammo products is preventing (or at least extending) the market correction that needs to happen short-term to deal with the supply problem with ammo.

Overall, that may be the least expensive means of acquiring ammo for the duration of the current conditions.
Those who consume their time, money and energy looking to score that 1 in 10 good deal are defeated before they begin.
The road trips to get in on a '1 or 2 box limit' are horrifically expensive on a per round basis.

If I knew I could stop and pick up 100-200 rds of .22lr on the way to the range would be with the addition cost for the peace of mind.

So if they raise the prices and people pay it, what's the incentive to drop the prices to pre-fear-mongering levels? Ammo could be $10,000 a box and if I wanted it bad enough, I'd buy several boxes of it. When prices drop, they will do so to around or slightly higher than pre-panic levels, imo, however, if prices are driven higher to reduce hoarding, when those prices do drop, they will be just be slightly higher than the pre-panic levels, so I think in the long-term, higher prices (even once lowered), hurts everyone.

Buy ammo online anyway. Going to stores, even in non-panic times, is pretty worthless if you want any real quantities.

Show us some 'real quantities' online, please; 22lr, 223, 9mm, 45acp.

[XDM45]

Wow, you are even more an ass than I originally thought.

it sounds like you need to get out more because you have an incredible lack of understanding of people and their motives. All the more reason to avoid your, "deals" in the future. You sounded suspicious before and you've confirmed it more now.

ANd I don't have friends in "stores" you moron. I have friends outside of "stores". Man, I need to stop writing as you aren't even worth the waste of internet space.

I didn't buy your ammo and you resort to personal attacks against me???

So he voices his opinion and you personally attack him? While what OldmanFCSA wrote MAY be considered a personal attack depending on your viewpoint, your reply leaves no doubt in my mind that you personally attacked him.

I think OldmanFCSA has a point about trading value; especially during these times right now, but the point is moot since you don't have the ammo anyway. If I could lay my hands on some Tula .45ACP, I'm sure I could make money on it and buy stuff I would use and shoot.

I don't think OldmanFCSA attacked you, but if you perceive it that way, so be it. While you and I have never met, I have met OldmanFCSA once in-person and have done business with him. (He purchased some .45ACP brass from me for reloading), and during our very brief encounter, I found him quite knowledgeable and friendly. I don't really know him as I've' only met him once, but the vibe I got is that he knows his shyte. I think you're being rather unfair in your slam on him, that's all.