Ammo Hunting This Morning

[Ruger guy]

Got up early (which I hate to do) to go ammo hunting.
BP wally world- 9mm Remington UMC 250 bulk pack $63.00 they put 4 on the shelve this morning and I bought the last one @ 8:15am
BP fleet farm- Nada
Blaine FF- Nada
Blaine Wally world- Nada
Forrest Lake Goose Hill- Magtec 45acp 400 rds for $219 to pricey for me.
I have a friend who is going up north today and he is going to look for some 22lr, 9mm, and 45acp for me. Hopefully once you get aways out of the city, the supply lossens up alittle.
Will keep you posted.
More tha a couple AR's at Bill's in Circle Pines.

[xd ED]

Got up early (which I hate to do) to go ammo hunting.
BP wally world- 9mm Remington UMC 250 bulk pack $63.00 they put 4 on the shelve this morning and I bought the last one @ 8:15am
BP fleet farm- Nada
Blaine FF- Nada
Blaine Wally world- Nada
Forrest Lake Goose Hill- Magtec 45acp 400 rds for $219 to pricey for me.
I have a friend who is going up north today and he is going to look for some 22lr, 9mm, and 45acp for me. Hopefully once you get aways out of the city, the supply lossens up alittle.
Will keep you posted.
More tha a couple AR's at Bill's in Circle Pines.

Forrest Lake Goose Hill- Magtec 45acp 400 rds for $219 to pricey for me.

The one thing that is more expensive than traveling around and buying high priced ammo- is traveling around and NOT buying it.
Buying the high priced ammo defrays your travel costs over the 400 rds, which makes it expensive per rd, but at least you have the ammo for your expenses.
Yesterday, Oakdale FF had 250rds of UMC 45 acp for $105?...
If your going to go shopping, you almost have to buy it when/ where you see it. or it just gets more and more expensive.

[yuppiejr]

Ain't that the truth... problem is enough people have a routine down and know when the stores get ammo shipments in so if you're not running with the pack the odds of finding any in stock locally are almost pure luck. It's like Black Friday every day...

Not 2 weeks ago I was walking in to grab some bulk trail mix at FF when I happened by an employee pushing a cart of stuff from the registers/CS desk back to the shelves and spotted a lone bulk pack of ammo sitting in his cart which I ended up grabbing.... pure luck. He said they blew through 20 bulk packs in less than 15 minutes (again, people knowing the delivery time and showing up to clean them out) earlier in the day which was fairly typical of all their ammo shipments.

The solution is to price things higher for a while to kill the secondary market until the supply chain can catch up.. otherwise the Armslist/Gunbroker resellers and hoarders who have made it a full time job to clean out these stores will continue to screw up the local supply and waste everyone else's time and gas money.

[xd ED]

Ain't that the truth... problem is enough people have a routine down and know when the stores get ammo shipments in so if you're not running with the pack the odds of finding any in stock locally are almost pure luck. It's like Black Friday every day...

Not 2 weeks ago I was walking in to grab some bulk trail mix at FF when I happened by an employee pushing a cart of stuff from the registers/CS desk back to the shelves and spotted a lone bulk pack of ammo sitting in his cart which I ended up grabbing.... pure luck. He said they blew through 20 bulk packs in less than 15 minutes (again, people knowing the delivery time and showing up to clean them out) earlier in the day which was fairly typical of all their ammo shipments.

The solution is to price things higher for a while to kill the secondary market until the supply chain can catch up.. otherwise the Armslist/Gunbroker resellers and hoarders who have made it a full time job to clean out these stores will continue to screw up the local supply and waste everyone else's time and gas money.

^^^THIS***THIS^^^THIS^^^

[Evad]

That's why I quit ammo shopping.

You got 9mm for 25 cents/round and spent how much in gas and time? Let's say you spent three hours and your free time is worth $10/hour. If you got free gas you still spent 38 cents/round on 9mm. I can get that online. Hell, yuppiejr just sold some on this board for way less.

[jgalt]

The solution is to price things higher for a while to kill the secondary market until the supply chain can catch up.. otherwise the Armslist/Gunbroker resellers and hoarders who have made it a full time job to clean out these stores will continue to screw up the local supply and waste everyone else's time and gas money.

Well yabut ... the stores that do so are immediately criticized as "price gougers", and people swear they will never visit them again.

Fact is, with the current situation, almost no one looking for ammo blames the retailers when there isn't any available, so there isn't any real downside for them to sell at the pre-hysteria prices so as to avoid even the possibility of being seen as the "bad guy" & losing future business.

You're still dead-on in your analysis though...

[yuppiejr]

Well yabut ... the stores that do so are immediately criticized as "price gougers", and people swear they will never visit them again.

Fine with me, fewer buyer means less pressure on the inventory that's out there...

I bet there are plenty of folks who would pay $40 for a brick of 500 22 LR right now at Fleet Farm if they knew they could pick it up without having to shop all over town and had an occasion to shoot it within a few days. Hoarders would turn up their noses and, with a constant supply available at $40 a pop the only people continuing to resell would be folks sitting on existing/pre-panic inventory (which would likely help the overall availability). There'd be no profit for people buying and immediately re-selling so they would quit clearing out Fleet Farm/Gander/Wal mart as stuff came in. Once inventory built up prices would naturally have to fall to remain competitive as supply normalized and prices/availability should self regulate again in time. Retail "gouging" or as sane people call it, pricing to market, is actually the short term tool to fix the long term problem even if the "durp-durp" crowd can't handle the truth.

[XDM45]

My solution:

Shoot less .45ACP.
Shoot more .22LR since I have more of it than .45ACP.
Keep as few of calibers around as possible, so when I get my XDs and my 10/22, they can use my ammo supply.
Collect brass of .45ACP and sell it or trade it for more ammo. (my brass is fired once since I don't reload, and thus anyone who gets it from me knows that. Evad and OldmanFSCA have dibs on first pick when I have it for trade/sale.)
Buy both calibers of ammo when and where I can when prices are reasonable again. At this rate, I'll probably put 400-1,000 rounds through my XDm/XDs for the entire year.
If anyone needs IT work, I'll geek for ammo

There was a shortage before Sandy Hook and it only got worse after due to FUD and Fudds. Unlike many people, I don't buy because I need to (due to personal shortage), or because I'm desperate; I buy because I want to. I can afford to sit back and wait for prices to come down or to find things to trade. Desperation is expensive. After all, look at the people who are desperate and pawn things off for pennies when they paid dollars for an item, or people who need payday loans, etc. A lot of people live beyond their means, which is a sad choice..and other times, things happen and they don't have enough money, ammo, whatever it is, set aside. It's always best to prepare the best that you can. No one could have predicted Sandy Hook, but I don't think anyone is foolish enough to believe that such things won't ever happen again and when they do, things regarding ammo, firearms, and proposed laws will be as they are now. It's happened before and it will happen again.

Was it lack of funds or insight that keeps some people from preparing for our current situation before it happened? We've seen the trend before (event > panic buying/scarcity/high prices > proposed laws > FUD > action/inaction on laws > prices reduced > ammo/gun/supply and demand return to normal > lull until the next event > was, rinse and repeat)....and we know it will happen again, so why the unpreparedness by so many people?

[elroy]

I picked up some .223 at Arnzen in Eden Prairie yesterday at lunch. It was about $.50/round which is the cheapest I've seen it in a while. Last I looked at Gander it was $1/round. They still had some when I left and were limiting it to 200 rounds/customer.

[NMRMN]

Y'all seen: http://www.gunbot.net/ ? I set a firefox extension "bot" on it that emails me when my price is hit...

[JustPlainT]

Was it lack of funds or insight that keeps some people from preparing for our current situation before it happened? We've seen the trend before (event > panic buying/scarcity/high prices > proposed laws > FUD > action/inaction on laws > prices reduced > ammo/gun/supply and demand return to normal > lull until the next event > was, rinse and repeat)....and we know it will happen again, so why the unpreparedness by so many people?

2008 election of Obama: I was totally prepared, and survived it fine.

2012 was an interesting year for me. Going through this whole "getting married" process meant that from as of about June-July 2012 I didn't have much in the way of extra income to stock up in considerable amounts. Obama's re-election saw a slight uptick, but nothing alarmist. Ok.

Then Newtown happened. And now I haven't been able to resupply what I use, nor was I able to stockpile ahead of time due to this ongoing expense known as a wedding. And that is why I'm so low on so many things, except for my reserves I will never touch for any reason but necessity (not target shooting).

I'll be able to start stocking money away end of April, hopefully prices will be down again by summer. Hopefully. Maybe.

[NMRMN]

I'll be able to start stocking money away end of April, hopefully prices will be down again by summer. Hopefully. Maybe.

Doubtful.

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[JustPlainT]

Hopefully, demand will level out enough that those orders start getting cancelled. It's possible, but I won't hold my breath for it.

[grousemaster]

Well yabut ... the stores that do so are immediately criticized as "price gougers", and people swear they will never visit them again.

Fine with me, fewer buyer means less pressure on the inventory that's out there...

I bet there are plenty of folks who would pay $40 for a brick of 500 22 LR right now at Fleet Farm if they knew they could pick it up without having to shop all over town and had an occasion to shoot it within a few days. Hoarders would turn up their noses and, with a constant supply available at $40 a pop the only people continuing to resell would be folks sitting on existing/pre-panic inventory (which would likely help the overall availability). There'd be no profit for people buying and immediately re-selling so they would quit clearing out Fleet Farm/Gander/Wal mart as stuff came in. Once inventory built up prices would naturally have to fall to remain competitive as supply normalized and prices/availability should self regulate again in time. Retail "gouging" or as sane people call it, pricing to market, is actually the short term tool to fix the long term problem even if the "durp-durp" crowd can't handle the truth.

I doubt the re-sellers will scoff at doubling their money....the bulk packs are pushing $80-$100 on GB. Wow. Just wow. I would guess XDM45 would have no problem getting his ridiculous asking price for .22 ammo on GB right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =332503741

[XDM45]

Well yabut ... the stores that do so are immediately criticized as "price gougers", and people swear they will never visit them again.

Fine with me, fewer buyer means less pressure on the inventory that's out there...

I bet there are plenty of folks who would pay $40 for a brick of 500 22 LR right now at Fleet Farm if they knew they could pick it up without having to shop all over town and had an occasion to shoot it within a few days. Hoarders would turn up their noses and, with a constant supply available at $40 a pop the only people continuing to resell would be folks sitting on existing/pre-panic inventory (which would likely help the overall availability). There'd be no profit for people buying and immediately re-selling so they would quit clearing out Fleet Farm/Gander/Wal mart as stuff came in. Once inventory built up prices would naturally have to fall to remain competitive as supply normalized and prices/availability should self regulate again in time. Retail "gouging" or as sane people call it, pricing to market, is actually the short term tool to fix the long term problem even if the "durp-durp" crowd can't handle the truth.

I doubt the re-sellers will scoff at doubling their money....the bulk packs are pushing $80-$100 on GB. Wow. Just wow. I would guess XDM45 would have no problem getting his ridiculous asking price for .22 ammo on GB right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =332503741

I've learned my lesson. There's easier ways to make money without all of the whining that some people seem to do.