Who has quit shooting?

[Evad]

I hope you have 10+ .22lr guns to hand out to friends & family in a SHTF scenario at 25k stock level

SHTF can mean many things. Could be as simple as a per round sin tax that he saved a fortune on by having those rounds already purchased. Could simply be that he sees how empty the shelves are and it could take a while to see them normal again. Could be he has intercepted communications between warring squirrel factions in his yard and worries they will take over his house as a base.

I feel sorry for your GF, and all new shooters who can't even find ammo to practice with. And those who are paying 3-4x the price it used to be. I hope they stick it out long enough to see some better times ahead.

[BigDaveyBoy]

Lucky for me I stock piled 223 rounds for my Rock River coyote set up. I just wish minnesota had some decent acess to outdoor gun ranges. After many years in Arizon where there is great acess, i cant wait to move back. Now if i can just find a dang magpul 20 rd. mag in stock!!!

Happy shooting.

[XDM45]

I'm down to my SHTF reserve limit of 3,000 rounds of .45ACP, so since I won't touch that, I'm basically "out" of .45ACP.

3000 rounds is my "out" threshold, too. Right now, I'm only out of .45GAP, which I haven't shot (or bought) in years.

I am "out" at 3,000 rounds of .45ACP too. I won't go below that number. I could spend a ton of money on ammo, (when you can find it these days), but is that the best use of money? (especially when prices are high right now)? I don't think so. I can wait. I'd rather shoot less and more accurately than send tens of thousands of ammo downrange just do shoot. I actually need to dry fire practice more and do holster work, and that'd be true even if ammo was a penny a round.

[FJ540]

I loaded up all my .45 brass this weekend. Only about 350rds worth, but it's enough to keep me going for a while. I have plenty of bullets, powder, and primers - just not any more brass.

[XDM45]

I hope you have 10+ .22lr guns to hand out to friends & family in a SHTF scenario at 25k stock level

SHTF can mean many things. Could be as simple as a per round sin tax that he saved a fortune on by having those rounds already purchased. Could simply be that he sees how empty the shelves are and it could take a while to see them normal again. Could be he has intercepted communications between warring squirrel factions in his yard and worries they will take over his house as a base.

I feel sorry for your GF, and all new shooters who can't even find ammo to practice with. And those who are paying 3-4x the price it used to be. I hope they stick it out long enough to see some better times ahead.

True that, Evad.

SHTF for me.........
1) Government confiscating weapons / Martial Law / Governmental Collapse
2) Societal Collapse - long-term.
3) Financial Collapse - long term

PITA for me, but not SHTF:
1) Ammo hard to find, not on the shelves.
2) Higher than normal prices.
3) Short-term situation like Hurricane Katrina.

[FJ540]

So you do realize that a handgun is a poor replacement for a rifle when your dexterity and fine motor control goes out the window under stress right?

All the ammo in the world (unless you owned all of it and no one else had any) wouldn't do you any good if you can't hit what you're shooting at.

[XDM45]

So you do realize that a handgun is a poor replacement for a rifle when your dexterity and fine motor control goes out the window under stress right?

All the ammo in the world (unless you owned all of it and no one else had any) wouldn't do you any good if you can't hit what you're shooting at.

That's why you train....and train with multiple weapons.

There was a recent Handguns episode (TV show) where they showed a .45ACP going out 100 yards without much drop-off... now I'm not that good with a pistol yet, but it can be done. Chances are if something comes down hard and fast, it'll be up close and personal, and I'll have a pistol on me, not a rifle. I do need to get both a 10/22, AR-15, Shotgun and a .357 revolver, so 10/22 is next. I think for some situations, a rifle is the way to go, and vice versa for a pistol.

[FJ540]

Because you've learned this in combat or military training?

Why is it all entry teams on the planet go in with SMG's or carbine length rifles?

[XDM45]

Because you've learned this in combat or military training?

Why is it all entry teams on the planet go in with SMG's or carbine length rifles?

You're right. I'm not going to argue. I'd carry a long gun in public, but since that's illegal in Minnesota, so I guess I'll have to sit at home with rifles because if something ever happens, all I'll have one me is my pistol which I can legally carry and which is a heck of a lot more portable. Wait... I have a job, so I have to leave to work or else the house goes into foreclosure and I doubt I could have a PTC without a permanent address, so........... back to carrying my pistol I go, just like I do now.

..and I don't know about you, but I'm not on an entry team. What they do, they do.

Now if someone wants to make it so the MPPA allows me to carry an AR-15 in public....... then it's a different story.

[FJ540]

We're talking SHTF. You don't have a rifle and I just proved you're ill prepared. Whoops!

For daily life, I carry a handgun just like you do. When things turn ugly (when you have no idea who's on your side or after your stash), you can bet your ass I'll have a rifle and it won't be chambered in .22lr.

[XDM45]

We're talking SHTF. You don't have a rifle and I just proved you're ill prepared. Whoops!

For daily life, I carry a handgun just like you do. When things turn ugly (when you have no idea who's on your side or after your stash), you can bet your ass I'll have a rifle and it won't be chambered in .22lr.

Exactly why I plan to get an AR-15, ammo, etc. I really would prefer not to drop 10-25k on firearms, ammo and supplies right now all at once. If I see something coming down the pike in time, yeah, I'll spend it, but right now, were not there yet. Also, if SHTF, there will probably be plenty of armed dead people around and weapons from which you can choose. No, not the idea first choice, I'd rather have my own, but I'm just saying.... one way or another, I'd get my hands on one. 10/22 and AR-15 is next.

Also, a rifle isn't a be-all-end-all thing either, if/when SHTF, you'll need many things, not just guns and ammo. Remember that too.

[jshuberg]

There was a recent Handguns episode (TV show) where they showed a .45ACP going out 100 yards without much drop-off...

Unlikely, unless he was running a pistol with an unusually long 16" barrel or something.

For example, a Hydra-Shock 165gr .45cal bullet will drop around 10.6" at 100 yards. Anything past ~55 yards and you'll have to hold an elevated front sight for POI to be within 2" of POA. Different rounds will perform slightly differently, but "without much drop-off" out to 100 just isn't going to happen with a .45 pistol.
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[Tronster]

I will say that I tried hitting a human silhouette target at 100 yards with a 9mm pistol on a rest. Out of 8 shots hit it twice, and that's a stationary target and taking my time to aim. But an interesting writing by someone who lived in Argentina during the economic collapse said a high capacity pistol is the best weapon for shtf. Any attacks were not 50 yards or even 25 yards away but up close in your face and fast, and a long gun is simply useless in that situation. Especially when you were most likely to be attacked leaving your home or coming and going from bartering flea markets. Or attackers trying to run your car off the road, a pistol can be fired much easier in a vehicle.

As far as shooting now, I've got enough to still shoot and not freak out about supplies but yes I've cut way back cause who knows how long it will be til the markets recover.

[FJ540]

One person working alone in a "combat" zone is a recipe for a funeral. You can't drive and fend off some other vehicle with a handgun all that well either. If you think you can, you've seen too many movies.

Look at things like the LA riots and Katrina. People who were successful took up positions on roofs and used rifles to deter aggressors.

Even the tactical tv shows play it up far more desirable than it's likely to be. If someone wanted your car, they're not going to drive you off the road and pull you out of it. They're going to shoot you and wait for it to stop rolling.

[Tronster]

I don't think Argentina was an all out nation wide war zone like Bosnia. But when the economy collapsed and unemployment and crime just skyrocketed the police were essentially non existent so you were on your own to fend for yourself day to day. He said kidnappings for ransom and violent muggings were most common. If it was a Bosnia type all out war from house to house then yes you would want a rifle.