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Re: None of thier business

Postby thunderoussilence on Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:49 pm

I will forgive you for asking if you will forgive me for not answering.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby tman on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:15 pm

tluchsinger wrote:isn't there some thing in the Constitution about self incrimination



Schools are not required to give the Miranda warning. That's only for law enforcement when there's custodial interrogation.

You answering these questions would be considered voluntary.


Besides, smoking, drinking and gun ownership are all lawful activities.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby sansooshooter on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:22 pm

tman wrote:
tluchsinger wrote:isn't there some thing in the Constitution about self incrimination



Schools are not required to give the Miranda warning. That's only for law enforcement when there's custodial interrogation.

You answering these questions would be considered voluntary.


Besides, smoking, drinking and gun ownership are all lawful activities.


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Give the petty liberals some more time demonizing those things and they will incrementally criminalize each and everyone of them!
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Re: None of thier business

Postby bensdad on Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:26 pm

Besides, smoking, drinking and gun ownership are all lawful activities.


Lawful, yet questionable. These are the kinds of activities that the new world order will shame us away from. Once that process has thinned the herd (so to speak) of freedom and liberty loving folk, then the few, strong-willed, independent minded who are left can be identified as fringe.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby MXGreg on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:07 pm

exarkun wrote:Send your own questionnaire in response, asking the same types of questions of the teacher that will be spending the majority of the day with your child...


I agree with this suggestion. Include questions about smoking, drinking, guns, drug use, sexual orentation, political affiliation, body mass, religion, etc. Put a statement on there stating you'll send your questioneer back when they return their's.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby Collector1337420 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:58 pm

Leave blank all the questions that are none of their business.

Only answer ones that are relevant to your daughters schooling.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby benny on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:03 pm

I have had the doctor ask me to leave the room while he asked my daughter those questions, when I told him I refused to leave while he questioned her he said it was state law that he ask them and it was for the child's safety.

I told my kid to answer his questions truthfully with no punishment for her answers, the doctor was okay with that and we went on with the appointment.
I didn't like them asking me to leave so they could push her to say just what they wanted her to say.
Good thing my daughter likes to shoot and has had training with firearms, she told the doctor that she isn't even allowed into the "gun room" let alone handle them with out me around.

He just said great and was done.

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Re: None of thier business

Postby Tronster on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:14 pm

id really like to know what state law requires a parent to leave a child alone with a doctor for questioning. I think that would be the end of that office visit for me. :shock:
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Re: None of thier business

Postby infidel on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:22 pm

"N/A".
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Re: None of thier business

Postby Username000 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:24 pm

I never want to bring a child into this screwed up world.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby Snakeman721 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:38 pm

Username000 wrote:I never want to bring a child into this screwed up world.


No worries...the government is PAYING for single women to do that for you.There are lots of highly irresponsible males out there willing to help these scummy single woman. As I stated in another thread, I personally knew two young woman that purposely chose that type of lifestyle. Why work when the government will pay you to procreate? Then they indoctrinate, sorry..."school" these bastard children in our corrupt educational system. Gotta make future "progressive" voters somehow. :o
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Re: None of thier business

Postby Gdawgs on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:19 pm

Wow lots of action here. A couple things to share. 1) Not all teachers are ultra liberals. My wife being one of them. She read through the questionaire first, and she was upset about those question as well. And guess what I bought her for Easter. A new revolver! Yeah doesn't really have anything to do with Easter but oh well.

2) I don't believe the teachers see this information. At least my wife has not seen any info like this. But she teaches 2nd grade, not Kindergarten. So I'm not exactly sure what they do with it. But like I mentioned, I'm not filling out anything that isn't related to academics.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby Deputyhiro on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:33 pm

" what ever you say, can, and will be used against you in a court of law". You just never know these days. Plain and simple, it is better to say nothing.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby crbutler on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:20 pm

As a doc, there is no law that states you have to collect that information.

The whole gun violence thing was something that came up out of academia as a way to push an agenda. In fact, the CDC did a study (I think in the early 80's) that was so bad that it got congress to call for cutting their budget and caused no end of concern.

Nowdays, it seems that most of this drivel comes from the American Academy of Pediatrics. The American Academy of Family Practice tends to go along with it. They still try and push this as "public health" even though none of the studies seem to correlate to much of anything other than someone has to have a gun in order to shoot someone. I had a rather interesting discussion with a peds MD who worked on one of these papers, and she was unable to define standard of deviation or P value, yet she was telling me that the studies convincingly proved that gun ownership was associated with homicide. I was able to convince her that the study was not able to tell anything, due to poor methodology and bad statistics. Her view was then, I know what it is supposed to say, so we just need a more expensive study to prove it to you...

It boggles the mind...

Had to see one of my partners to have a foot Xray and they handed me one of the survey forms. The nurses were giggling over the answers I put down (like "not enough" "an empty gun is a pretty piss poor club" "and It is supposed to be dangerous") The good doctor laughed and threw the form away. The clinic director was not pleased about the customer service survey that had the "poor" mark regarding the "health questionnaire."

Which is a long way to say that in today's marketplace, medicine is being run as a customer service business, as much as I personally disagree with that mindset. If you give bad marks to the doc and clinic for these things (and explain it) pretty soon the business office will stop this garbage.
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Re: None of thier business

Postby tazdevil on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:21 pm

Tronster wrote:id really like to know what state law requires a parent to leave a child alone with a doctor for questioning. I think that would be the end of that office visit for me. :shock:



You've never had to ask a 12y/o if there's any chance they could be pregnant then, either. There's a reason medical proffessionals need parents not in room while certain things are discussed. But then mom or dad is immediately outside the room, so while there's some privacy for things like that, parents are also in the immediate vicinity. There's questions (abuse screen) that must be asked by law when patient is alone with nurse or some other health proffessional.
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