Finally drank the Glock Kool-Aid....

[Tronster]

Nice, a long slide will be accurate to shoot.

The wife has a gen4 G19 which is a decent shooter. It'll do what you want it to without too much fuss. Kinda like a toyota camry; the build quality is good enough to be boringly reliable but also boring to look at.

[Heffay]

[plink]

Delicious, isn't it?

[brad3579]

Welcome to the Glock family.
If I didn't already have a G35 (and a few more) and my wife a G17, I would be all over "Thunderjohns" gen4 G34 that is for sale. (hmm maybe one more would be OK)
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[mrp]

45Badger--I disagree, but this brings more questions.

First, all production firearms manufacturers use CNC to machine parts. Unless a part is just poorly designed, I really can't accept that there can be that much difference in fit or finish. Unless the piece is actually designed to fit poorly in it's assembly, I just don't see it happening. Besides, what would be the benefit to machining something to fit poorly?

Not poorly designed (nor designed to fit poorly), but designed to have loose tolerances. It's not done because they can't accurately machine the parts, but because loose tolerances allow it to keep working after you drop it in a mud puddle. There's no free lunch, so there's a price to pay.

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/faq.php

A Glock® is designed and built to extremely loose tolerances as it’s primarily a battle gun, and those loose tolerances are necessary for reliability in hostile environments.

http://jagerproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=34&products_id=89&zenid=o5rdlc63vhnd59440v8m23jgg4

The loose slide to frame fit designed into all Glock pistols inhibits accuracy when using a frame mounted optic.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=149253

Frame-to-slide fit on an iron-sighted gun is not that critical. The "repeatable lockup" that we desire is achieved inside the slide, which is attached to the sights. Good.

On a gun with a frame-mounted optical sight, this fit is critical. The sights are attached to the frame, so repeatability is needed in every junction.

Striker-fired guns, such as the Glock, M&P, and XD series, are a different matter altogether. Although accuracy won't suffer, the quality of the trigger pull is dependent on this fit.

I know nothing about gunsmithing, but the above quotes are the type of thing you hear all the time about glocks.

Sig feels it necessary to address it in their marketing...
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/1911-spartan.aspx

The SIG SAUER® 1911 proves that close tolerances equal complete reliability and need not be incompatible in an off-the-shelf pistol.

[AX7400]

Welcome to the Glock family.
If I didn't already have a G35 (and a few more) and my wife a G17, I would be all over "Thunderjohns" gen4 G34 that is for sale. (hmm maybe one more would be OK)
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=45703

I saw that post by Thunderjohn the day after I purchased mine....you win some you loose some. I can live with the $70 dollar premium for a gun that I plan on shooting thousands of rounds through! Also the guys at Arnzen have always been great to deal with so they are usually my first stop! This was the first gun I have purchased from them but I had a transfer shipped there and have browsed the store a couple of other times...good people and a great addition to the Twin Cities gun market!

[User4k]

While I wont say I drank the cool aid. I will say this, I sold my XD9 that had nightstand duty and replaced it with a Glock 17. Thats all the weapon does so I dont care if its pretty or tight, its not a woman after all. Sure the grip angle is not the most comfortable for me but at the end of the day Im a better shot with the g17 than I was the XD, and for home defense thats what counts. Comfort will come over time..

[TeeBee]

I finally caved and drank the Glock Kool-Aid...I am looking to start some competitive shooting and the G34 seemed like the logical choice.

I've drank the Kool-Aid 4 times. I love my 17, 19, 26 and 29. I appreciate the simplicity, reliability and value. While I like many handgun designs, I always come back to Glock. I'm compelled to round out my 9mm collection with the G34. (Lest I forget the 17L)

[Rodentman]

I have a 17, 20, and 29. I have no issue with them, but I prefer firearms with better build quality and tighter tolerances. They're simple and they work, but they're not my go to pieces.

Please explain.

[Not trying to start yet another GLOCK vs. everyone war, I'm genuinely curious]

It's all relative. I like the G29, but when shooting a full size pistol in 10mm I gravitate to the DW Sportsman, and the S&W 610. The G17, well I haven't shot 9mm in a while. But I also have an EMP, and an XDM, and an H&K P7. So there are choices that I find more fun.

I don't have the technical expertise to debate fit and finish, but my Sig 229 just feels better to shoot than the Glock.

My neighbor brought his G17 over for me to fix. He managed to get the slide on just one side and it was riding above the frame on the other side. Shouldn't be able to do that.

[thunderoussilence]

Rodent it is hard to chose but with all your squirrel/chipmunk tats it would be hard for you to decide

[XDM45]

Glocks excel at what they are, being cheap service pistols.

So they're a McGun?

I know people like them, and to each their own, I just don't care for Glocks at all. For me, it was always the feel of them. I never minded the blockiness look to them or anything like that, never really considered the production quality. Even though they're cheap, they must have some quality production to them if LEOs are using them to defend their lives with them, unless what they can carry is limited and imposed upon them by the department they work for.

My XDm cost $699. Not that much more than a Glock really, maybe $100-200 more? Not a lot of cash really. I don't think more money equates to a better gun either. I like the custom made Caspians, not a fan of Les Baer or Dan Wesson pistols either, they seem over-priced and over-rated to me. Like the Glocks, it's also a feel thing. In the end, find what works best for you and run with it. I'm not going to turn this into another thread for or against Glocks. I'm glad that you found what works for you. The Glock fanboyism reminds me a lot of the Apple fanboyism that's out there. Both are equally weird to me.

[grousemaster]

Glocks excel at what they are, being cheap service pistols.

So they're a McGun?

I know people like them, and to each their own, I just don't care for Glocks at all. For me, it was always the feel of them. I never minded the blockiness look to them or anything like that, never really considered the production quality. Even though they're cheap, they must have some quality production to them if LEOs are using them to defend their lives with them, unless what they can carry is limited and imposed upon them by the department they work for.

My XDm cost $699. Not that much more than a Glock really, maybe $100-200 more? Not a lot of cash really. I don't think more money equates to a better gun either. I like the custom made Caspians, not a fan of Les Baer or Dan Wesson pistols either, they seem over-priced and over-rated to me. Like the Glocks, it's also a feel thing. In the end, find what works best for you and run with it. I'm not going to turn this into another thread for or against Glocks. I'm glad that you found what works for you. The Glock fanboyism reminds me a lot of the Apple fanboyism that's out there. Both are equally weird to me.

and those that bash Glock while touting a Springfield, reminds me of the crowd that was convinced their Zune was better than the ipod

[XDM45]

Glocks excel at what they are, being cheap service pistols.

So they're a McGun?

I know people like them, and to each their own, I just don't care for Glocks at all. For me, it was always the feel of them. I never minded the blockiness look to them or anything like that, never really considered the production quality. Even though they're cheap, they must have some quality production to them if LEOs are using them to defend their lives with them, unless what they can carry is limited and imposed upon them by the department they work for.

My XDm cost $699. Not that much more than a Glock really, maybe $100-200 more? Not a lot of cash really. I don't think more money equates to a better gun either. I like the custom made Caspians, not a fan of Les Baer or Dan Wesson pistols either, they seem over-priced and over-rated to me. Like the Glocks, it's also a feel thing. In the end, find what works best for you and run with it. I'm not going to turn this into another thread for or against Glocks. I'm glad that you found what works for you. The Glock fanboyism reminds me a lot of the Apple fanboyism that's out there. Both are equally weird to me.

and those that bash Glock while touting a Springfield, reminds me of the crowd that was convinced their Zune was better than the ipod

I bought the Springfield because it was the right fit, not because it was a Springfield.

[JustPlainT]

Enjoy the Glock.

I have exactly one Glock. It's a Gen3 26, and it was my first handgun, and I'll keep it around because it hasn't done me any wrong.

But....

I do not like the Glock grip angle. At the time, I didn't know any better and just went with the hype. After I tried the XD, I found a much better grip for me. That isn't to say Glocks are bad. That's just to say that I prefer other options.

[XDM45]

Enjoy the Glock.

I have exactly one Glock. It's a Gen3 26, and it was my first handgun, and I'll keep it around because it hasn't done me any wrong.

But....

I do not like the Glock grip angle. At the time, I didn't know any better and just went with the hype. After I tried the XD, I found a much better grip for me. That isn't to say Glocks are bad. That's just to say that I prefer other options.

So I'm not the only one.... we're alike in that. Like I've always said about Glocks, it's the feel of them that turns me off, not that they are specifically a Glock. They could be called Maunda Patoozies and I'd feel the exact same way.