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Re: Possible ban?

Postby Mn01r6 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:21 pm

Jack's My dog wrote:
Mn01r6 wrote:1992?

20mm wrote:Still won't stop the MPD from taking you $500+ rifle and confiscating it for really long time.


I haven't heard of MPD confiscating a rifle recently. Have you?


If they really wanted to, they would just have to take a quick look at armslist. :?


It is preempted by state law, which means it is unenforceable and they would pay out settlements left and right if they did that.
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby 20mm on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:23 pm

Mn01r6 wrote:It is preempted by state law, which means it is unenforceable and they would pay out settlements left and right if they did that.


http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2897502.shtml

How many people will pay for a lawyer when they can buy a new gun for the same amount?
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby bstrawse on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:29 pm

20mm wrote:
Mn01r6 wrote:I haven't heard of MPD confiscating a rifle under this ordinance recently. Have you?


I'm sure the do all the time.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projec ... olis-guns/


You know this to be true - or you think this to be true?

If you know it to be true, please post the evidence - I'd like to see it.
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby Jack's My dog on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:34 pm

20mm wrote:
Mn01r6 wrote:It is preempted by state law, which means it is unenforceable and they would pay out settlements left and right if they did that.


http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2897502.shtml

How many people will pay for a lawyer when they can buy a new gun for the same amount?


Seems like the old lady from the report was onto something with teaching kids in the home that "the guns are not the answer".
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby 20mm on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:39 pm

bstrawse wrote:You know this to be true - or you think this to be true?

If you know it to be true, please post the evidence - I'd like to see it.
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I'm sure you would. You have a big keyboard and a phone. Feel free to exercise them.

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Re: Possible ban?

Postby Mn01r6 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:45 pm

20mm wrote:
bstrawse wrote:You know this to be true - or you think this to be true?

If you know it to be true, please post the evidence - I'd like to see it.
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I'm sure you would. You have a big keyboard and a phone. Feel free to exercise them.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.


You are posting absolute BS and calling it true. You have the burden to prove you aren't just making crap up. That report you linked to said they had only confiscated 10 rifles in all of 2012 and I would bet that was from prohibited persons or drug houses raided, not because law abiding citizens had them confiscated under the preempted ordinance. You would make 100 times the value of the gun back in a civil settlement if they did that and an attorney would take that case in a heartbeat on a contingency fee.

You do know that by posting those falsehoods you are discouraging lawful gun owners that might read this from arming themselves with arguably the best self defense platform, correct?
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby bstrawse on Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:06 pm

20mm wrote:
bstrawse wrote:You know this to be true - or you think this to be true?

If you know it to be true, please post the evidence - I'd like to see it.
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I'm sure you would. You have a big keyboard and a phone. Feel free to exercise them.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.


I'm asking an honest question. I'd love to see details if you have them on illegal seizures.

If you don't want to send to me - fine. Please DO send your information to GOCRA at admin@gocra.org.

Personally, I don't think you have any information that shows that this is happening. I would love for you to prove me wrong.

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Re: Possible ban?

Postby 20mm on Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:08 pm

Mn01r6 wrote:You are posting absolute BS and calling it true. You have the burden to prove you aren't just making crap up. That report you linked to said they had only confiscated 10 rifles in all of 2012 and I would bet that was from prohibited persons or drug houses raided\


I don't have any burdens, and you apparently don't have anything to worry about. Pretty cool huh?
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby Mn01r6 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:23 pm

20mm wrote:
Mn01r6 wrote:You are posting absolute BS and calling it true. You have the burden to prove you aren't just making crap up. That report you linked to said they had only confiscated 10 rifles in all of 2012 and I would bet that was from prohibited persons or drug houses raided\


I don't have any burdens, and you apparently don't have anything to worry about. Pretty cool huh?


You mean you haven't MET any burdens and you have proven that you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.

I worry about ignorant statements like yours tacitly imposing that illegal ban on law abiding citizens.
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby Sorcerer on Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:25 pm

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Re: Possible ban?

Postby 20mm on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:50 am

Mn01r6 wrote:You mean you haven't MET any burdens and you have proven that you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.

I worry about ignorant statements like yours tacitly imposing that illegal ban on law abiding citizens.


I'm not wrong, they confiscated aka: "recovered" 10 assault rifles in 2012. That's almost 1 per month.
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Re: Possible ban?

Postby bstrawse on Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:23 am

20mm wrote:
Mn01r6 wrote:You mean you haven't MET any burdens and you have proven that you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.

I worry about ignorant statements like yours tacitly imposing that illegal ban on law abiding citizens.


I'm not wrong, they confiscated aka: "recovered" 10 assault rifles in 2012. That's almost 1 per month.


Yes - but were these weapons seized under:
1) A state firearms statute OR
2) A judge's order under state law (bail condition, pending felony charges, etc) OR
3) Minneapolis's ordnance that has no authority due to state pre-emption

1 and 2 are legal under state law, 3 is not.

That's the question - you've previously asserted that it was due to #3. What other information do you have to back up this assertion?

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Re: Possible ban?

Postby 20mm on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:46 pm

bstrawse wrote:Yes - but were these weapons seized under:
1) A state firearms statute OR
2) A judge's order under state law (bail condition, pending felony charges, etc) OR
3) Minneapolis's ordnance that has no authority due to state pre-emption

1 and 2 are legal under state law, 3 is not.

That's the question - you've previously asserted that it was due to #3. What other information do you have to back up this assertion?

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I asserted that they were confiscated. MN-GOCRA could easily find out why with a FOIA request. Maybe use some of those PAC funds.
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Possible ban?

Postby plblark on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:58 pm

Did I miss where the guy making random assertions tried to pawn off the work of backing up those assertions with fact and added insult to injury by heaping scorn and work on someone whose had put time, talent, and treasure into the fight?


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Re: Possible ban?

Postby photogpat on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:01 pm

20mm wrote:
I asserted that they were confiscated. MN-GOCRA could easily find out why with a FOIA request. Maybe use some of those PAC funds.


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